Question:
Hi
I've heard and read many times that many ilnesses can be caused by feelings of anger, envy, something bad from the past, resent, bitterness . etc
I mean , such behavior feelings can "poison" our metabolism and might show consequences in the body like cancer, tumors, blood and skin problems.
I don't feel that way , but , it makes me think if we've done something like this or may be we are carrying a disease from past lives, that's why we have psoriasis .
Are we paying for something that we are not aware of it ? :eek:
This can cause feelings of guilt if taken serious .
Does anyone feel that way ?
I want to think there's nothing to feel guilty for .
I don't know about past lives, but , as far as I remember , I haven't done anything bad in this life to deserve this disease .
I just take a disease as a mission to make me grow by coping with it and to exercise my faith.
What do you think?
Thanks
Vinny
:)
I've met too many wonderful people here to think that p only happens to anyone who was bad. :) They are some of the kindest, most thoughtful and caring people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Maybe it only happens to good people? :confused:
I don't believe that people are punished for things that happened in past lives. I believe that if our spirit has been here previosly in another form, then we are here to have another chance to do things right
I guess that I'm unclear on the entire past life thing, but that being said, I don't believe that there is anything that the little children who develop this disease have to be guilty for. I don't believe that they could even understand being guilty for something that they did in past lives let alone something that they had done wrong in this life. I know at 6, I didn't understand that type thing so what would the purpose have been. I think if it were retribution for wrongs people would only develop diseases as adults.
Recently, my missionary sister-in-law was visiting us while home from the Phillippines. She said that she had always thought that people who had been "bad" were the ones who got diseases or had bad things happen to them because God protects His People. I got really angry with her. I don't believe that God gives people diseases or bad things. He does allow those things to happen to see how we deal with them and to help us grow in ways that we may never have grown in in any other way.
Bad things don't just happen to bad people in this lifetime or any other. Bad stuff happens, we deal with it, we learn from it and we try to help others get through it to.
It's just what I think.
Paige
I don't buy into that theory. Paige makes perfect sense. If guilt was behind disease not a single child would have a deformity or a disease. And I've know some pretty mean angry resentful healthy people.
Annie
Recently, my missionary sister-in-law was visiting us while home from the Phillippines. She said that she had always thought that people who had been "bad" were the ones who got diseases or had bad things happen to them because God protects His People.
My uncle, who was a Roman Catholic priest for 50 years said something similar to me. When I first was diagnosed with P, he told me that it was God's punishment because my parents adopted me & my sister, it was divine retribution because the sins of the parents are visited upon their children and since my parents went against God in adopting us since they weren't meant to have children. It was God's punishment. I couldn't believe he said that to me in front of my parents! Anyway, I told him, "You're full of crap old man" and walked away from him. My mom fell down laughing because no one had ever dared speak to my uncle that way before. I hate when supposedly well meaning people say stupid, mean things that like.
Hi vini,
i'm not sure about all that past life stuff either.. .but i am pretty certain that anger, guilt and negative emotions trigger stress, and stress triggers p. flares in lots of p. peeps.
I wonder if we'll ever know the "cause" of p. or see the cure.. I hope, but i wonder if it'll ever be, sometimes... until then we understandably allow our mind to explore all the possibilities..
xoxo,
denise
Well- all those thoughts are pretty profound.
For me, I have come to see that Psoriasis has very much shaped me into who I am.
I developed Psoriasis when I was 10 and by the time I was a teenager, it was quite noticeable. I had to really develop my personality and somehow 'make-up' for my visable misgivings.
I grew up in a Catholic house, I went to Private Catholic Schools and I was sure I was being punished and tested in this life. I felt I had very little to look forward too, though deep down, I felt a purpose.
I prided myself on doing well in school, on my studies and developed a tough exterior that nearly crippled me.
I became hard and aloof. I had a quick tongue that would lash any sideway comment. I became quite competitive in sports like volleyball and softball and cheerleading- because no matter what they said, I was always, at least, at the top of my game.
As I grew into a young adult, and entered into the work world, I became the master of disguises. I had to cover nearly every part of my body and I was consumed with where I flaked, who could potentially notice and I was obsessed with being an excellent conversationalist and tried my best to do well, so that any opinions on my looks might be somewhat softened when and if the people passing judgements, took my talents and skills under consideration.
I was always very sensitive to others, because of my skin disease. I identified with them somehow and constantly compared myself to others and I was very good at reaching out to those that (to me) seemed to have poor self esteem or seemed shy for reasons that I understood. (girls and boys with bad acne, girls with lots of freckles, those with braces or glasses) those were all big things back then... and I identified with those sort of people. I felt they were luckier than me, but still not 'perfect'
As I started to date, outside of my comfort zone and the community I grew up in, I had to really refine my skills of 'blending'. I would flirt and charm and go on dates, only later to have men wonder why I was so "distant". I had a circle of friends (that I still have to this day) that knew me well and I was not going to make myself vulnerable to others. I had tried and even the slightest rejection, I always placed blame on my Psoriasis.
I think for a time, I began living inside myself, too much. I had worked on so many aspects of my personality that I didnt even have an understanding of what my personality was. My tough exterior was intimidating enough to throw many people off my trail and I became feared, although respected, and I found comfort in that.
I mastered patience. As my Psoriasis progressed, so too did my aloof disposition. I was coy and short, all the time wishing I could just relax and enjoy the friends I was making and the people that filled my days.
I reached a point, or maybe it was a progression that I just accepted my disease. I was so tired of asking 'Why? why?" that I simply accepted there was no treatment for me, that I was surrounded by people constantly trying to tap into me and I was tired of pushing them away... and so my progression to a REAL acceptance began.
What I have become, as a woman with Psoriasis could not be me now, if I hadnt had it. I am very sensitive to others and I have a real affection for those that are "different" by any term. This allowed me to develp the 'soft skills' that I admire about myself, but that for so many years, were never seen by very many. For my entire life I have been much more interested in how a persons mind works, and what the 'genuine person' is -over looks. Ive always envied beauty and flawlessness, but Ive never been attracted to it. Its always the mind and the disposition, I am drawn to.
I carried with me so much guilt and anxiety over my 'inadequicies' (my skin) that I couldnt see past it. I had a tough exterior, but deep down inside, I was humble.
I had trouble understanding superficial things, like what my friends were obsessed over. (a few vanity pounds, not being able to afford the expensive car they wanted, or already had... the "World must stop now!' mentality when they got a pimple or a streatch mark or a bruise.)
All my life, I promised God, that if I could just have clear skin, that I would be a better person. That I would work hard, I would be kind to others, I would reach out to people... I promised him how good it would be for me. I told him how badly I needed a respit from the disease. How I felt my biggest downfall was my skin and how there was no way for me to move forward than to have it clear...
So, here I am. The ball is in my court and I must make good on my promise. Not because all my life I have been trying to cut a deal with God, but because all my life I have been working on all the things I had control over- with the belief that I one day might be granted a slate clean enough to allow me to test the theory that if I look okay, I can do great things.
I liked reading what you all though.
My opinion is- anyone with Psoriais, or a disease like we have- is a very deep, very 'thinking' kind of person. The personality traits (as far as I have seen) and the values of those that post here are quite simular. I admire so many here, and I am so grateful to you for sharing your thoughts, stories and aspirations.
I persoanally do not have a darn thing in my life to feel guilty about, and my skin is clear...!
I persoanally do not have a darn thing in my life to feel guilty about, and my skin is clear...!
That is fantastic news, Deb!
That is certainly enough to warrent a thanks to someone- if you believe in that kind of thing.
I have myself to thank, is who I have....I used my head and used my topical medications....There was no devine intervention here clearing my P for me.... :eek:
I don't believe that we have a "past life". I don't have anything to feel guilty about. Just as I do with my skin-I do with my heart and soul. A daily cleansing!!!!!!!!!
I am excited to hear when someone clears. I am happy for them because I know what they have been through. I am not envious, just happy. I must say I had about 3 years clear while I was pregnant. I enjoyed every minute of it. So if anyone clears, we should all be happy and hope it never comes back.
Hi
I've heard and read many times that many ilnesses can be caused by feelings of anger, envy, something bad from the past, resent, bitterness . etc
I mean , such behavior feelings can "poison" our metabolism and might show consequences in the body like cancer, tumors, blood and skin problems.
Well Vinni, from a tough midwest conservative, there may be some merit to your statement. I agree it's hard to comprehend this, but I think behavior and "feelings" can definately have a negative affect on your health. I don't think that it's something you did or that you are, it might be just "how you percieve it".
I've seen mental health professional for this exact issue or at least a similar issue and with anti-depressant and counseling it certainly did not hurt my P.
It has been well documented that the human body and mind is capable of feats that cannot be explaine by traditional science. With this in mind, although you "might not believe it", maybe you can research it some more with an open mind. When I researched it I didn't have to drop any of my current treatment regimines. I had insurance for it so it didn't cost me a lot and I just gave it some time and a chance. Todays mental health profession is well trained, my shrink was a phd. You don't get phd behind your name for completing K-12. I guess they have some knowledge and even techniques that non phd people might not have.
If you have insurance or a way to check into this it's my opinion to at least take a look at it and see. I can tell you this, sometimes my "feelings" when I look back at them are really ridiculous and I have exhibited unneccessary stress upon myself for no apparent reason other than "I did it" and it was stupid.
I think if you can put your mind at ease, your body will follow or at least not degress.
Good luck with it Vini, there are a lot of people that will listen 1 on 1. Shrinks, Clergy, parents, family, close friends. Get opinions on your thoughts from people you trust and or professionals.
For those of us who have a "religion" of some sort prayer is a powerful thing. Those of us that do pray do it for a reason. I would hate to think that so many people are "wasting" their time. Even our president prays and or has clergy to pray....., Clinton did too and for the dems Carter was very religious. Do you think stuff like that helps them? Or might help them? I would hate to think that they are wasting their time.
If you think you need something like this, check it out, the worse that can happen is you agree that mental health is nonsense for you and you move on.
Good luck Vini, Brad.
vinny,,,I don't think GOD gives anyone anything bad,,,but I do believe GOD helps us get through everything.Psoriasis to me is on the bottom of the list compared to the other diseases out there.Lets be thankful,,,we aren't blind, or deaf, we can walk,talk and basically live normal lives compared to some people. So we can be thankful for that.There are some people here that have P,,,and cancer and you never here them say anything,,,because they know P isn't as bad as cancer.
Melissalynn... what you wrote was so very beautiful and touching...
If there is anyone who is a "Count Your Blessings" type of guy... it would be me. But... I am willing to bet that the majority of us who suffer with P and with PA, have said, at least once in their lives while carrying around this disease, "Why can't I be normal...?" Yes. People have cancer. People have all sorts of horrible diseases... but guess what???? There are a lot more people walking around this planet without any diseases at all. No diseases at all!!! Imagine that!!! Why can't we have been in that number....??? Why....???
I am grateful that I don't have a terminal illness. Grateful. I am truly blessed. There are wonderful people here so willing to support a fellow sufferer in pain, in agony and in their despair. Never forget that! ... for there by the Grace of God go I.
Blessings to all....
Joe
Hi ARL,
I just wanted to point out that sweet Vini didn't mention God in his post ---
And just a note in general about this thread ... i can say with confidence that Vini's not saying we are all being guilty and punished for it... he's just bringing up something he's "heard and read many times". I think we should have freedom to explore our thoughts on here even if it's something not everyone agrees with.
just my 3 cents
Denise
Melissalynn... what you wrote was so very beautiful and touching...
If there is anyone who is a "Count Your Blessings" type of guy... it would be me. But... I am willing to bet that the majority of us who suffer with P and with PA, have said, at least once in their lives while carrying around this disease, "Why can't I be normal...?" Yes. People have cancer. People have all sorts of horrible diseases... but guess what???? There are a lot more people walking around this planet without any diseases at all. No diseases at all!!! Imagine that!!! Why can't we have been in that number....??? Why....???
I am grateful that I don't have a terminal illness. Grateful. I am truly blessed. There are wonderful people here so willing to support a fellow sufferer in pain, in agony and in their despair. Never forget that! ... for there by the Grace of God go I.
Blessings to all....
Joe
hi joe,
i agree with what you said. there are people that have it worst then me but there are people that have it better then me. if i don't ask myself why i have this i will never know. the thing that i like is that im not alone. i hate to think of people that are.
Vini,
I don't think anything we have done has caused our illness, it was just the roll of the genes. :( .
Joe, I couldn't agree more with your post.
Rich, " the thing that i like is that im not alone. i hate to think of people that are. " That's incredibly sweet and so very true.
Karen
Hi neese,,,does it really matter???? but tell me did that bother you what I said? I know he didn't mention GOD,,, but I felt like it. Did he tell you I offended him,,,if so,,,I didn't mean to,,,I do hear some people say the things vini was saying. I don't think there is any harm in that. I also think this is a good thread,,,to let people express how they feel about "P".
and my 3 cents
ARL
Hi neese,,,does it really matter???? but tell me did that bother you what I said? I know he didn't mention GOD,,, but I felt like it. Did he tell you I offended him,,,if so,,,I didn't mean to,,,I do hear some people say the things vini was saying. I don't think there is any harm in that. I also think this is a good thread,,,to let people express how they feel about "P".
and my 3 cents
ARL
Yes it matters. You misquoted Vini ...
he didn't say God gives bad stuff... by you saying: "vinny,,,I don't think GOD gives anyone anything bad"... it seemed to me you were responding to something vini never said, that's all.
Hi everyone
Thanks to everyone for your testimonies .
The intention is actually see and feel what everyone believes . And for each one to have a chance to hear something different .
Denise , thanks for bringing that up . Guess ARL is the one who says God doesn't give anything bad to us. And I also agree anyway . I also have faith , thanks God .. lol... No problem with that . You are sweet !
ARL , that's fine , I also think God doesn't punish anyone , and God only hopes that WE CAN DO THE BEST for ourselves. I agree with everything you've said.
Thank you Kim , Joe, Sue , Paige, Misales , Rich , Lottie bay , Annie ,Karen for your thoughts too.
Granny - I like the daily cleansing idea :D
Melissa - Thanks for sharing your state of mind and your feelings . That's how we exercise our thoughts and how we get to know ourselves . I see that psoriasis has played an important role to your growth. Yes, we can grow a lot of good things dealing with this disease.
For the last , just for those who find themselves trapped in some kind of guilt prison (which is not my case) . See what everyone says here .
Prison is to believe that we need to blame something . Better is just to fight against it and to learn how to accept it .
Once we can't live without it , don't look back , but forward , and find a way to feel more comfortable.
Thanks
see you
vinny
:D
Thank you vinny,,,I just assumed you would know I didn't mean anything against your feelings,,, :)
I've heard and read many times that many ilnesses can be caused by feelings of anger, envy, something bad from the past, resent, bitterness . etc
I mean , such behavior feelings can "poison" our metabolism and might show consequences in the body like cancer, tumors, blood and skin problems.
I don't feel that way , but , it makes me think if we've done something like this or may be we are carrying a disease from past lives, that's why we have psoriasis .
Are we paying for something that we are not aware of it ? :eek:
This can cause feelings of guilt if taken serious .
Does anyone feel that way ?
I want to think there's nothing to feel guilty for .
I don't know about past lives, but , as far as I remember , I haven't done anything bad in this life to deserve this disease .
I just take a disease as a mission to make me grow by coping with it and to exercise my faith.
What do you think?
Thanks
Vinny
:)
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I've met too many wonderful people here to think that p only happens to anyone who was bad. :) They are some of the kindest, most thoughtful and caring people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Maybe it only happens to good people? :confused:
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I don't believe that people are punished for things that happened in past lives. I believe that if our spirit has been here previosly in another form, then we are here to have another chance to do things right
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I guess that I'm unclear on the entire past life thing, but that being said, I don't believe that there is anything that the little children who develop this disease have to be guilty for. I don't believe that they could even understand being guilty for something that they did in past lives let alone something that they had done wrong in this life. I know at 6, I didn't understand that type thing so what would the purpose have been. I think if it were retribution for wrongs people would only develop diseases as adults.
Recently, my missionary sister-in-law was visiting us while home from the Phillippines. She said that she had always thought that people who had been "bad" were the ones who got diseases or had bad things happen to them because God protects His People. I got really angry with her. I don't believe that God gives people diseases or bad things. He does allow those things to happen to see how we deal with them and to help us grow in ways that we may never have grown in in any other way.
Bad things don't just happen to bad people in this lifetime or any other. Bad stuff happens, we deal with it, we learn from it and we try to help others get through it to.
It's just what I think.
Paige
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I don't buy into that theory. Paige makes perfect sense. If guilt was behind disease not a single child would have a deformity or a disease. And I've know some pretty mean angry resentful healthy people.
Annie
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Recently, my missionary sister-in-law was visiting us while home from the Phillippines. She said that she had always thought that people who had been "bad" were the ones who got diseases or had bad things happen to them because God protects His People.
My uncle, who was a Roman Catholic priest for 50 years said something similar to me. When I first was diagnosed with P, he told me that it was God's punishment because my parents adopted me & my sister, it was divine retribution because the sins of the parents are visited upon their children and since my parents went against God in adopting us since they weren't meant to have children. It was God's punishment. I couldn't believe he said that to me in front of my parents! Anyway, I told him, "You're full of crap old man" and walked away from him. My mom fell down laughing because no one had ever dared speak to my uncle that way before. I hate when supposedly well meaning people say stupid, mean things that like.
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Hi vini,
i'm not sure about all that past life stuff either.. .but i am pretty certain that anger, guilt and negative emotions trigger stress, and stress triggers p. flares in lots of p. peeps.
I wonder if we'll ever know the "cause" of p. or see the cure.. I hope, but i wonder if it'll ever be, sometimes... until then we understandably allow our mind to explore all the possibilities..
xoxo,
denise
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Well- all those thoughts are pretty profound.
For me, I have come to see that Psoriasis has very much shaped me into who I am.
I developed Psoriasis when I was 10 and by the time I was a teenager, it was quite noticeable. I had to really develop my personality and somehow 'make-up' for my visable misgivings.
I grew up in a Catholic house, I went to Private Catholic Schools and I was sure I was being punished and tested in this life. I felt I had very little to look forward too, though deep down, I felt a purpose.
I prided myself on doing well in school, on my studies and developed a tough exterior that nearly crippled me.
I became hard and aloof. I had a quick tongue that would lash any sideway comment. I became quite competitive in sports like volleyball and softball and cheerleading- because no matter what they said, I was always, at least, at the top of my game.
As I grew into a young adult, and entered into the work world, I became the master of disguises. I had to cover nearly every part of my body and I was consumed with where I flaked, who could potentially notice and I was obsessed with being an excellent conversationalist and tried my best to do well, so that any opinions on my looks might be somewhat softened when and if the people passing judgements, took my talents and skills under consideration.
I was always very sensitive to others, because of my skin disease. I identified with them somehow and constantly compared myself to others and I was very good at reaching out to those that (to me) seemed to have poor self esteem or seemed shy for reasons that I understood. (girls and boys with bad acne, girls with lots of freckles, those with braces or glasses) those were all big things back then... and I identified with those sort of people. I felt they were luckier than me, but still not 'perfect'
As I started to date, outside of my comfort zone and the community I grew up in, I had to really refine my skills of 'blending'. I would flirt and charm and go on dates, only later to have men wonder why I was so "distant". I had a circle of friends (that I still have to this day) that knew me well and I was not going to make myself vulnerable to others. I had tried and even the slightest rejection, I always placed blame on my Psoriasis.
I think for a time, I began living inside myself, too much. I had worked on so many aspects of my personality that I didnt even have an understanding of what my personality was. My tough exterior was intimidating enough to throw many people off my trail and I became feared, although respected, and I found comfort in that.
I mastered patience. As my Psoriasis progressed, so too did my aloof disposition. I was coy and short, all the time wishing I could just relax and enjoy the friends I was making and the people that filled my days.
I reached a point, or maybe it was a progression that I just accepted my disease. I was so tired of asking 'Why? why?" that I simply accepted there was no treatment for me, that I was surrounded by people constantly trying to tap into me and I was tired of pushing them away... and so my progression to a REAL acceptance began.
What I have become, as a woman with Psoriasis could not be me now, if I hadnt had it. I am very sensitive to others and I have a real affection for those that are "different" by any term. This allowed me to develp the 'soft skills' that I admire about myself, but that for so many years, were never seen by very many. For my entire life I have been much more interested in how a persons mind works, and what the 'genuine person' is -over looks. Ive always envied beauty and flawlessness, but Ive never been attracted to it. Its always the mind and the disposition, I am drawn to.
I carried with me so much guilt and anxiety over my 'inadequicies' (my skin) that I couldnt see past it. I had a tough exterior, but deep down inside, I was humble.
I had trouble understanding superficial things, like what my friends were obsessed over. (a few vanity pounds, not being able to afford the expensive car they wanted, or already had... the "World must stop now!' mentality when they got a pimple or a streatch mark or a bruise.)
All my life, I promised God, that if I could just have clear skin, that I would be a better person. That I would work hard, I would be kind to others, I would reach out to people... I promised him how good it would be for me. I told him how badly I needed a respit from the disease. How I felt my biggest downfall was my skin and how there was no way for me to move forward than to have it clear...
So, here I am. The ball is in my court and I must make good on my promise. Not because all my life I have been trying to cut a deal with God, but because all my life I have been working on all the things I had control over- with the belief that I one day might be granted a slate clean enough to allow me to test the theory that if I look okay, I can do great things.
I liked reading what you all though.
My opinion is- anyone with Psoriais, or a disease like we have- is a very deep, very 'thinking' kind of person. The personality traits (as far as I have seen) and the values of those that post here are quite simular. I admire so many here, and I am so grateful to you for sharing your thoughts, stories and aspirations.
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I persoanally do not have a darn thing in my life to feel guilty about, and my skin is clear...!
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I persoanally do not have a darn thing in my life to feel guilty about, and my skin is clear...!
That is fantastic news, Deb!
That is certainly enough to warrent a thanks to someone- if you believe in that kind of thing.
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I have myself to thank, is who I have....I used my head and used my topical medications....There was no devine intervention here clearing my P for me.... :eek:
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I don't believe that we have a "past life". I don't have anything to feel guilty about. Just as I do with my skin-I do with my heart and soul. A daily cleansing!!!!!!!!!
I am excited to hear when someone clears. I am happy for them because I know what they have been through. I am not envious, just happy. I must say I had about 3 years clear while I was pregnant. I enjoyed every minute of it. So if anyone clears, we should all be happy and hope it never comes back.
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Hi
I've heard and read many times that many ilnesses can be caused by feelings of anger, envy, something bad from the past, resent, bitterness . etc
I mean , such behavior feelings can "poison" our metabolism and might show consequences in the body like cancer, tumors, blood and skin problems.
Well Vinni, from a tough midwest conservative, there may be some merit to your statement. I agree it's hard to comprehend this, but I think behavior and "feelings" can definately have a negative affect on your health. I don't think that it's something you did or that you are, it might be just "how you percieve it".
I've seen mental health professional for this exact issue or at least a similar issue and with anti-depressant and counseling it certainly did not hurt my P.
It has been well documented that the human body and mind is capable of feats that cannot be explaine by traditional science. With this in mind, although you "might not believe it", maybe you can research it some more with an open mind. When I researched it I didn't have to drop any of my current treatment regimines. I had insurance for it so it didn't cost me a lot and I just gave it some time and a chance. Todays mental health profession is well trained, my shrink was a phd. You don't get phd behind your name for completing K-12. I guess they have some knowledge and even techniques that non phd people might not have.
If you have insurance or a way to check into this it's my opinion to at least take a look at it and see. I can tell you this, sometimes my "feelings" when I look back at them are really ridiculous and I have exhibited unneccessary stress upon myself for no apparent reason other than "I did it" and it was stupid.
I think if you can put your mind at ease, your body will follow or at least not degress.
Good luck with it Vini, there are a lot of people that will listen 1 on 1. Shrinks, Clergy, parents, family, close friends. Get opinions on your thoughts from people you trust and or professionals.
For those of us who have a "religion" of some sort prayer is a powerful thing. Those of us that do pray do it for a reason. I would hate to think that so many people are "wasting" their time. Even our president prays and or has clergy to pray....., Clinton did too and for the dems Carter was very religious. Do you think stuff like that helps them? Or might help them? I would hate to think that they are wasting their time.
If you think you need something like this, check it out, the worse that can happen is you agree that mental health is nonsense for you and you move on.
Good luck Vini, Brad.
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vinny,,,I don't think GOD gives anyone anything bad,,,but I do believe GOD helps us get through everything.Psoriasis to me is on the bottom of the list compared to the other diseases out there.Lets be thankful,,,we aren't blind, or deaf, we can walk,talk and basically live normal lives compared to some people. So we can be thankful for that.There are some people here that have P,,,and cancer and you never here them say anything,,,because they know P isn't as bad as cancer.
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Melissalynn... what you wrote was so very beautiful and touching...
If there is anyone who is a "Count Your Blessings" type of guy... it would be me. But... I am willing to bet that the majority of us who suffer with P and with PA, have said, at least once in their lives while carrying around this disease, "Why can't I be normal...?" Yes. People have cancer. People have all sorts of horrible diseases... but guess what???? There are a lot more people walking around this planet without any diseases at all. No diseases at all!!! Imagine that!!! Why can't we have been in that number....??? Why....???
I am grateful that I don't have a terminal illness. Grateful. I am truly blessed. There are wonderful people here so willing to support a fellow sufferer in pain, in agony and in their despair. Never forget that! ... for there by the Grace of God go I.
Blessings to all....
Joe
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Hi ARL,
I just wanted to point out that sweet Vini didn't mention God in his post ---
And just a note in general about this thread ... i can say with confidence that Vini's not saying we are all being guilty and punished for it... he's just bringing up something he's "heard and read many times". I think we should have freedom to explore our thoughts on here even if it's something not everyone agrees with.
just my 3 cents
Denise
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Melissalynn... what you wrote was so very beautiful and touching...
If there is anyone who is a "Count Your Blessings" type of guy... it would be me. But... I am willing to bet that the majority of us who suffer with P and with PA, have said, at least once in their lives while carrying around this disease, "Why can't I be normal...?" Yes. People have cancer. People have all sorts of horrible diseases... but guess what???? There are a lot more people walking around this planet without any diseases at all. No diseases at all!!! Imagine that!!! Why can't we have been in that number....??? Why....???
I am grateful that I don't have a terminal illness. Grateful. I am truly blessed. There are wonderful people here so willing to support a fellow sufferer in pain, in agony and in their despair. Never forget that! ... for there by the Grace of God go I.
Blessings to all....
Joe
hi joe,
i agree with what you said. there are people that have it worst then me but there are people that have it better then me. if i don't ask myself why i have this i will never know. the thing that i like is that im not alone. i hate to think of people that are.
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Vini,
I don't think anything we have done has caused our illness, it was just the roll of the genes. :( .
Joe, I couldn't agree more with your post.
Rich, " the thing that i like is that im not alone. i hate to think of people that are. " That's incredibly sweet and so very true.
Karen
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Hi neese,,,does it really matter???? but tell me did that bother you what I said? I know he didn't mention GOD,,, but I felt like it. Did he tell you I offended him,,,if so,,,I didn't mean to,,,I do hear some people say the things vini was saying. I don't think there is any harm in that. I also think this is a good thread,,,to let people express how they feel about "P".
and my 3 cents
ARL
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Hi neese,,,does it really matter???? but tell me did that bother you what I said? I know he didn't mention GOD,,, but I felt like it. Did he tell you I offended him,,,if so,,,I didn't mean to,,,I do hear some people say the things vini was saying. I don't think there is any harm in that. I also think this is a good thread,,,to let people express how they feel about "P".
and my 3 cents
ARL
Yes it matters. You misquoted Vini ...
he didn't say God gives bad stuff... by you saying: "vinny,,,I don't think GOD gives anyone anything bad"... it seemed to me you were responding to something vini never said, that's all.
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Hi everyone
Thanks to everyone for your testimonies .
The intention is actually see and feel what everyone believes . And for each one to have a chance to hear something different .
Denise , thanks for bringing that up . Guess ARL is the one who says God doesn't give anything bad to us. And I also agree anyway . I also have faith , thanks God .. lol... No problem with that . You are sweet !
ARL , that's fine , I also think God doesn't punish anyone , and God only hopes that WE CAN DO THE BEST for ourselves. I agree with everything you've said.
Thank you Kim , Joe, Sue , Paige, Misales , Rich , Lottie bay , Annie ,Karen for your thoughts too.
Granny - I like the daily cleansing idea :D
Melissa - Thanks for sharing your state of mind and your feelings . That's how we exercise our thoughts and how we get to know ourselves . I see that psoriasis has played an important role to your growth. Yes, we can grow a lot of good things dealing with this disease.
For the last , just for those who find themselves trapped in some kind of guilt prison (which is not my case) . See what everyone says here .
Prison is to believe that we need to blame something . Better is just to fight against it and to learn how to accept it .
Once we can't live without it , don't look back , but forward , and find a way to feel more comfortable.
Thanks
see you
vinny
:D
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Thank you vinny,,,I just assumed you would know I didn't mean anything against your feelings,,, :)
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