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CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG?
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[SIZE=3]NO![/SIZE]
We can't all get along nor should we. Thank GOD we are not mindless lemming. We can pick and choose what we want to respond to and what not.
I have heard a few people say this place isn't comforable any more. I disagree. The Psoriasis and Psoriathis Arthritis, Childerns and Young Teens
and Careegiver boards are where the support, love and caring is exclusive to our shared inflection. That the way it should be and hopefully will stay.
The Conversation Boards was established was established to give an outlet to those who wanted to voice opionons about many subjects, ideas and thoughts. Weather you wanted to post midless blatter (which I sometimes do) or a serious subject this is the place. This board is about many things and politcis and religion are amoung them. One only has to ge the home page of this web site to find political reference all over the place. From capital hill day to writing your congressperson or petitioning the NIH for additional it is all about politics. It has a place here on the boards.
If my words ofend you I am sorry but it is my opinion and I will not placate my feeling and thoughts to smooth ruffeled feathers. Can't we get along was said my the person who got the crap beat out of him. I won't stand by and be beaten.
If these tread are uncomfortable to you the I have some advise for you.
[SIZE=4]DON'T READ THEM[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]DON'T RESPOND TO THEM[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]IGNORE THEM OR THE PERSON WRITING THEM[/SIZE]
I can't pick my family but I can and do pick my friends. In matter of concience there is a majority in one. And my voice will
[SIZE=4]NEVER, NEVER, NEVER BE SILENT![/SIZE]
Last thing before I close. My mother had an old saying and I hope I spell it right. "Don't strasher me". What I am getting at are those who threaten to leave when they don't like something that is posted or feels threaten in some form or way. This is your home and mine but if you feel the need to leave don't grandstand and throw a tanrum like a two year old. Just leave, and don't let the door hit you in the buttocks on the way out!
Please stay and debate if not goodby.
Mitch

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Mitch,
Well put my friend. I did that once or twice, but i realized that that is not the way to go. the people who make a big deal about them leaving, they just need extra attention i think...
Well said
x0x0x Kim

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Actually Mitch, today I checked out the Lehigh thread to see how far it would be for me to make pennsylvania. I really want to meet Rich in person, besides the boards, I've only talked to him once on the phone. Honestly, I think you and I would have a great debate in person and suprisingly...maybe even jokingly get along is some strange way.
I met you briefly in SD but I did not do much socially in SD because of my situation there. Anyway, debate is good. I've learned a lot from "fighting" with my derms, docs, and insurance. Believe me it wasn't pretty but it got the job done. Some would have a problem in the way I treated my doctors...."I can't believe you just said that to them....this is about supporting your health care system". Believe me I told more than one nurse bluntly to do your job and put that topical stuff on my back, for christ sakes you're an RN. Now it doesn't sound nice and supportive but if you go about your life feeling good about getting a "raw deal" because someone thinks living with 30% plaque on your back is OK? and it is ALL THEY CAN DO FOR YOU. Then I guess you'll have to be happy. I think you will know when the docs and you have done what you can. When that happens, all we can do is support you, but until then, get out there and fight. This is not new to the psoriasis boards, even when you think you've beat psoriasis, it can and most likely will come back...so be prepared and be on the offensive with it. This is just advice, but if you need help, some of us here can do the dirty work for you. "dirty work"....If you could just see the letters I've written to my derms and insurance you would then understand. This may not be for everyone but it worked for me.
Please, if you don't like it don't read it....for some of our personalitys this helps us.
Now Mitch and I got at our throats a little bit this weekend, but, I think its all for the better. I hold no personal grudge against Mitch and I feel that he does not hold one against me. People like us drive each other to get more accomplished.
Since no one wants to talk politics, watch a baseball game. The ump makes a call that is controversial but correct or close. The other coach always comes out to argue. He might not be correct or win that time but it might work on the next close call in the future. This is very true in my insurance struggle, I fought the goeckerman at u of m and lost....but, I asked for a $3,500.00 light box and the insurance didn't bat an eye. If you read the P side there are a number of people right now, Chaim for instance, that is dealing with or working on getting a light box. Maybe an argument isn't all that bad. Americans are very concientous, loving people, but we also have the freedom to speak our minds.
I'm gonna leave it at this...........Carville and Matalin. I haven't heard the word divorce there yet. Absolutely Amazing Place the USA is.

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Love you Mitch dont ever feel like you cant speak your mind. You have the right to and Im glad to listen and for all of those who oppose you have the right as well but its all about respect. We all have come here at one time or another for support. Whether it be for our common condition or just support from a fellow friend on important things happening in our lives. I know that one person or another has helped me through rough times and if this isnt the place for you, like Mitch said throwing a fit will not help a thing. Quietly leave and give other the respect they gave you when you first stepped into this family.
I love you all and I hope no one has to feel like they need to make a dramatic performance to get a simple acknowledgement. Act like an adult and do the right thing. Mitch you ROCK! <3

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Jamie, I could't agree more. Mitch knows how I feel and he certainly does ROCK (just doesn't like TOFU) well, he can't be perfect.

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By all means speak your mind ...I have, many times.....But when I leave I will start a big thread about it so everyone knows I am going, and I am sure some with throw a big party! Beer, chips, dip the whole works... :)

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well.. I gotta reply here. I made a few posts in various threads here and had people react badly to what I said.. I acted stupidly saying that maybe i would stop posting here. Good lord... I would hate to do that. this is the only place I can feel comfy talking about P. By and large I have had a very possitive response from members here. When I dont, I need to just toughen up. The same applies to all of you though. When someone starts a political thread then dont post there complaining about how you dislike politics. I wouldnt dream of posting on a PTSD thread if I have never been through it or didnt wanna talk about it. If you only want to talk about P or PA or various other forms of it then stick to them. Dont restrict the rest of us from expressing what we want to talk about. I dont drive a SUV so I dont read SUV magazines... get the point?
Bruce.

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[SIZE=6]ISN'T MAKING UP THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/SIZE]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

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.......................... I could not agree more, better yet, I'll let you in on a little secret - about 20 years ago(give or take 2 or 3 in either direction) a whole crap load of us on the "right" decided that we had enough. We were going to take on a different tact, disgusted with the Orin Hatches R UT(monotone, measured and roll over on command) and Arlin Spectors R PA(RINO, Scottish Law, who the President personally rescued from the dust bin of politics - then the second he knew he was safe - flipped us the bird - Head of the Judiciary Committee Appt, are you kidding me? Chuck Schumer D NY is his #1 endorser! We supported Pat Toomey D PA!). It's an old school counselors trick, the big metal mirror that you hold up in front of the child when they are at their ugliest. "Hold up the Mirror" AND we were also going to start stringing together descriptors(tact taken from the "left), reaching deep into the recesses of our creativity with one self imposed rule - when asked - be capable of backing up with facts and inescapable logic connecting the dots NOT AFFECT! All these fears of yours - explain - but before you do, drop the affect. Me? I'm not particularly interested in how you FEEL about anything - nothing personal - we all get feelings about a lot of things, does that mean those feelings should be translated into public policy or law. Emphatically NO! Get in your car and drive down to DUKE UNIVERSITY this month, get yourself a ticket to hear this Palestinian Org(read terrorist), really do hope you have not missed it, address the student body at DUKE - when these "things" are finished speaking(with audience plants) the chant of "kill all the JEWS" begins - look around at the audience and those UNIVERSITY STUDENTS picking up the chant - THEY have a feeling, don't they Mitch? This org has been on campus after campus, CA NC NY MI MA WA - haven't seen that headline in the "paper of record". Each school has been petitioned, with thousands of signatures(your favorite start up proceedure to Civil Disobedience) to at least offer some balance. YA still with me brother, 'cause everytime I back you into a corner or think I have you pinned down, chit man where'd he go? Then I have to hunt you down and bust through the affronted circled wagons, AGAIN! The DEVOLUTION has begun - this time we have removed the brake pads. Fear not Mitch, we don't want to own you, put you behind razor wire or kill you - we want to get YOUR hands from OUR throats and out of our pockets - and stop with the Constitutional Rights argument - that is the most ridiculous sounding argument to any AMERICAN that knows the slightest thing about the Constitution's construction and intent. Now I asked for your topic over at the other thread - practicing what you preach, right? Don't have me blocked do you? Good. I'll pick - A Womans Right to Choose.
Note to the Moderators - It would be really funny(perhaps alleviating small amounts of angst), if when someone is blocked by another and you end up on the same thread, their name and the 3 monkeys flash to you when posting - see no, hear no, speak no. "We have always been at war with EASTASIA!"
SEMPER VIGILO, PARATUS, et FIDELIS!

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Because this is straight from the bottom(RUBEVILLE) I'll be general with dates, some names and information that is GK but readily fact checked. Back in the early 70s a case from Texas came to the US Supreme Court, ROE v WADE, the embodiment of this case was "medical privacy" - the state had no business sticking its nose between a woman, her doctor and a medical procedure - specifically an abortion, US SC agrees, YIPEE! Let's celebrate - no soldiers will be staying with us, eating our food and making a mess. A striking blow for the "WOAHmen's Movement" and with the added promise that no slippery slope expansion would take place driven by the political agenda of the "left". OOOOPS - fooled again, this one case metastisized into a Constitutional Right, of on demand, any age no parental notification, up to the minute before your water breaks - no sorry wrong - up to one year after birth(post partum argument), paid for by the guv'mint, administered by a guv'mint supported agency(Planned Parenthood, so benign sounding), that was founded by Satan uh I mean Margaret Sanger(speaking engagements with adoring audiences of klansmen and nazis{the real German type} fed and clothed her), who's disciples and prophets can be found at such respected institutions as Princeton University(this guy goes a step further - would take the "damaged defective products", the people who created them AND the dimbulbs who reach out to them) put us uh I mean them behind the razor wire, oh fun, let the murder commence/continue AGAIN! Then we have our worshipped carpetbagger politicians like the good Senator from NY Hilary Clinton - so brave, rushing to the A 'STAN, while the hot lead flew, to bring the best of AMERICAN exports to those hapless Afghanis - Planned Parenthood. They have been at war for 25 years, do you really think they need "the right to choose". And let's stop calling it that OK, because I really want the right to choose on a number of issues(unfortunately Mitch when it comes down to it, all options for "choice" consist of ONE, in the narrow definition of the "left"). Call it what it is - ACCESS TO ABORTION. Now, I've seen you say, "as long as you do not infringe.........", excellent. According to my definition(and John Kerry's by the way) life begins at conception - by my definition a woman who is pregnant is now sharing that body of her's with someone else - killing them would be infringing? - you tell me. Tell me where I'm going wrong - to any out there who would unmask their unreconstructed racism and "superior class" membership A list status - your friends are reading this. No they are not, I'm blocked! So your response will look good - knock yourself out! I'll close(maybe) with this AFFECT - I don't care if you have a million abortions lady, just don't ask me to pay for them or sanction them through MY guv'mint via some misguided, false premise belief that you have some kind of Constitutional Right to an abortion - 60 years of this type of "infringement", you haven't really pissed us off, yet - however you did give us our voice - can't thank you enough for that.
You're up Mitch. Your in a minefield - fear not - look at me I'm running all over it, nothing. You pick the next topic, OK?
SEMPER VIGILIO, PARATUS, et FIDELIS!
These Constitutional Rights you demand - don't you see what is at play here? Little groups peeled off, given extraConstitutional status - age old military stratagem - DIVIDE AND CONQUER!

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hello all
i think every one has a right to say what they want to but not at some one. maybe kim is right and that is why i say im leaveing. im just glad that you all put up with me. lol all
great thread mitch.
hi brad, come to pa because i can't wait to meet you.
have a good day all
richard :D :D

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So here's the problem...
Mitch is going to say what he want no matter if offends someone or not and he refuses to be silent..blah blah blah..., but at the end he says that if you are leaving to not say it, just do it?
So you can post what you want, but that doesn't go for everyone?
If people make "threats" in the heat of the moment, don't put them down since you obviously do the same thing.

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Richard your are just about the only person I would say this tooo. Yo can not leave. You are such an important part of these vboards and your copassion and concern is amazing. I would tell anyone else who said they were leaving , don't let the door hit you in the butt... but you I would block the door and not let you go.
Mitch

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thank you mitch, you are a wonderful man. you do so much for the people on here to. and as for the door. they are all put up. yeah yeah. now i get a break for a while. i hope. i don't think she has any thing eles for me to do. i hope.
i love this place. to think i fealt like not postting no more. but i have to be around all my friends.
have a wonderful day all
richard :D :D :D

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Mitch,,,,I have to say something,,,,,sure Rich is the only one you would say this to,,,why,,,,because he is the only one that doesn't tell you off. You have your views,,,fine,,,,you and some other people here,,, associate with who you only think is worth your time,,,and really that's ok,,,,,only what you say is funny,,,,and people you care to associate with,,,LIKE I SAID ,,,,FROM DAY ONE WHEN I JOINED YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE STUPID NOT TO PICK UP ON THIS,,,A CLICK...but whatever,,,who cares,,,i'm hear to keep finding new remedies,,,and have fun,I'll keep my religious and political thoughts at home,,,,than this will be a half way peaceful site..... WE DON'T NEED STRESS AND AGGRAVATION!!!! I SIT AT THE COMPUTER AND IF I READ SOMETHING AND DON'T LIKE WHAT SOMEONE SAID,,,,,I SAY,, OH SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY AND I GO ON TO ANOTHER THREAD,,,,,
MY OPINION IS ,,,,IT SEEMS WHO THINKS ONE IS SMARTER THAN THE OTHER,,,AND YOU KNOW WHAT,,,WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!! Well I feel good,,,and i'm happy,,and still in a silly mood..... the only people I feel sorry for are the VETERANS AND THE TROOPS,,,THAT ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY!!!!

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ARL, you get my point you have the ability to pick and choose what you read and what you respond too. I post what I belive without censorship are you the readers have three options.
1) Just read
2) Read & respond
3) Ignore.
Wether you agree or disagree is irrelevant. You have the power to self-censor your actions. Weather anyone like me or not dosen't matter. I do come here to get self-validated. I come to share my view. Respond to those I find funny, witty, contravertial, racist, hateful at my will and whim.
So if you wish to respond that ok. You are intitled to your opionon as am I.
Mitch

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What exactly is wrong with trying to get along with people...

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Mitch,,,like I said,,,I don't care who replys to who,,,I just had to say that,,no problem,,,, I really don't care,,,but I'll say it again,,,it's just the people you care to associate with are the ones you find funny,,, witty,,,and so on,, SO WHATEVER!!!!!!!
Deb,,,no not when you have a bunch of thick headed people,,,and I'm one,,,lol,,,we just can't shut up,,,it passes,,,,with time,,, LOL

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yes it does. this is just like some of my family at home. i don't know.
try and have a good day all
richard

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