Question:
I have been asked to start a conversation regarding standard rules of etiquette in moderated forums. It has been communicated to me that good etiquette is nothing more than an arbitrary set of rules that can be ignored at will. Personally I am guilty of bending and at times breaking a few of these guidelines, but I have committed to try live by these constraints, especially in responding to flames.
Anyhow, Wikipedia has provided some rules to live by the first of which is extremely important. Feel free to grab one or more of the a topics below and post your thoughts. If anyone has not read the , I suggest you do so before reading another word. Then come back and post away. Together we can keep this place a vibrant and well mannered forum, whilst we keep searching and hoping for a cure! I am interested in hearing everyone's comments and perhaps changing my thoughts and posting habits, for the good of the community.
...Before creating a new topic thread, one is advised to search to see if a similar topic already exists. i try to find threads but most of the time i can't ...
richard Excellent Rich!
I am not sure how this forums search tool works, but there is a sticky that helps to spell out the procedure for searching. It is good to see that you try to find a topic before making a redundant post. I am amazed at the number of folks that are very computer savvy but still insist on generating new threads on identical topics over and over again. I think that this is an area where we can all improve and help this forum become an even better place than it already is.
Thanks for your comments. :)
Cheers
TimM
Certain rules of unspoken etiquette are recommended to be followed when using Internet forums. They include:
I think these four are my favorites.
>Before creating a new topic thread, one is advised to search to see if a similar topic already exists.
Search for the topic first. This is a an issue especially here. I am certainly not complaining, because I have willingly posted the same information and links to previous discussions, to new people many times over. I think we all know that MikeK is the best example of this. He's got this DOWN! When I first came here, the first thing I did was search the archives. The thing that I worry about most, is that people who really have good advice are getting burnt out on giving it out for the 100 millionth time. So they quit giving it out. So the newbies, instead of searching the archives to find this really awesome information- just post a new thread- and never get the info. I know that we have all read this many times:
"I didn't search the archives cause I thought I would get the advice quicker here"
I always try to respond and encourage them to search. Anyway- the fact that these new members, who may not stick around for very long, who might be newly diagnosed- are going to miss out of some really important stuff, cause they don't search- kinda worries me.
>Contributors should avoid the use of all CAPITAL LETTERS in posts. All CAPS is considered "shouting" and causes readability issues.
I hate it when people post in all CAPS. I can't read it, it makes my eyes go all crossed. Its really not too much of an issue here, but every once in a while it comes up. I have gotten to where I won't even answer a post that's in all caps. I mean, if you want to emphasize something, that's fine. But give your caps button a break. If you don't feel like capitalizing some letters, and you think the answer is to just type in ALL CAPS, PLEASE DON'T, just don't capitalize at all. I can live with that. This also leads into my feelings on proofreading. I don't expect the postings to be perfect, because mine certainly never are, but just read it over. If I can't understand it because the grammar/spelling is so bad-- chances are you are less likely to get many responses.
>One should try to refrain from lashing back at a poorly behaving member or participating in a flame war; instead, notify the message board's staff of the event.
Flame wars suck. They don't help anyone. Relevant information is never posted. They just hog bandwidth. It always disintegrates into a "my opinion is right, and yours is wrong." If, however, an intelligent debate were to form, that is another thing completely. But that rarely happens. I think that they completely defeat the purpose of a self-help board as well. No one is able to help each other if they are furiously typing at each other!
>When quoting a previous post, one should only include the relevant portion of that post. Contributors are requested to keep in mind that their audience can likely still see the message they are quoting on the same screen and can read it again if need be.
Quoting a previous post. That's kind of self explanatory, and a little nit-picky on my part. When people quote an entire post, for really no reason- it just kinda jumbles up the thread.
OK- off of the soap box now!
Great thread nesielheum, very relevant topic.
hi tim,
im not sure how the search tools works either. im not good with computers. of all the threads i started on here. none of them were meant to offend any one or hurt any one. i don't think it's right to do that. i beleive in just helpping were i can. if it's just saying good moring to some one. if that helps. that's what it's all about. help people and don't not putting them down
have a good night my friend
richard
Tim,
I carefully read your list and feel impelled to comment. I would like to add that moderators have much to do with how well forums are run. For instance, guidelines are often enforced sternly for some and bent for others.
When I perform a forum search on this sight, in order not to duplicate, I find I am presented with too much ambiguous information. I think what might happen here is that posters, especially newbies unfamiliar with the topics & terminology, don't have the time to read dozens of former posts to see where their statement or question might fit in. As I've said about this site before, our most popular topics are clumped into one big forum. A little selective division is in store.
Double posting and cross posting is annoying and is tolerated here much too often, as is not posting in the appropriate catagory. It's obvious that the posters are ignoring the "rules" and the rules of etiquette. In that instance do you feel the moderators should be stepping in? I assume that your post is a general inquistion, but also one that also relates to what we have going on here.
Necroing, lack of courtesy, CAPS, quoting entire posts, flame wars, self absorbing new posts...it seems to happen here more often than it should. Are you asking how we feel about these guidelines? Or are you asking how we can conform more closely to these guidelines? As we can't personally control what others post I assume it should be up to the moderators to monitor and edit what is posted.
I too plead guilty to having crossed the guidelines. LOL!!! I'm probably the queen of suspension. Sometimes it's been offensive, more often defensive. Sometimes I've felt it was totally unfair and other times borderline unfair.
Ooooops, didn't mean to turn this thing into me, me, me, me. But I guess that's how we feel when we post here. So while we are all bent and emotional, guidelines don't become our major priority. Maybe when sites such as ours are so varied and emotional we might want to bend the rules once in a while. But it has to be fair and that is where an unbiased moderating team comes in.
This website is bound to be more emotionally fueled than your average site. We need to respect one another's opinions and choices. Let's fight the disease, not one another. Hope this and all the other sites dedicated to P/PA never end!!!!
XOXOXOXO
Annie
"Certain rules of unspoken etiquette are recommended to be followed when using Internet forums. They include:"
I am probably the worst at spelling, and doing stupid stuff on here, BUT....
The way I look at it: there are sites that are all about Forums, this site is about helping others, and our selves.
The way I look at it is... I am assuming that most people (newbies) on here, are so desperate for information, and probably not forum users. They come on here looking for information to help them through a dark time in their life.
This site is not a "Forum Only" site, like a lot of the Political ones.
You can not expect every person that comes on to this site (here) or even a small number of them to be a hard core Forum user.
I guess what I am saying is The "Old Timers" on here should know better, but you have to give the Newbies a break.
I hope that came out the way I meant it.
Thanks,
Edited: because I am a losy speller :D
Tim,
I carefully read your list and feel impelled to comment... Without comments I would have no idea how you feel, nor would anyone else. BTW it's not my list :o
When I perform a forum search on this sight, in order not to duplicate, I find I am presented with too much ambiguous information... Yes, often times too broad a search yields too many results, and too narrow a search brings back nothing, This can be frustrating, and leave us with little choice but to start a new thread.
Double posting and cross posting is annoying and is tolerated here much too often, as is not posting in the appropriate catagory. It's obvious that the posters are ignoring the "rules" and the rules of etiquette. Well, what might seem obvious to you, or me, or someone else might not be the intent of the person that is adept at annoying you, me or someone else. Hopefully, this thread will help us all better understand what others find aggravating, and allow each of us to change our styles and embrace the diversity on this forum.
In that instance do you feel the moderators should be stepping in? Only as a last resort. Personally, I use the report feature as a means of venting rather than getting involved in a flame, which I used to do all of the time.
Or are you asking how we can conform more closely to these guidelines? I am really not asking anything, I was hoping that these discussions would merely give each of us the opportunity to look at ourselves and share what we as individuals feel regarding the subject of netiquette. Basically the entire thread is devoted to me me me, you you you, and us us us. All rolled into one.
I too plead guilty to having crossed the guidelines. Tell me something I don't know :eek:
Ooooops, didn't mean to turn this thing into me, me, me, me. But I guess that's how we feel when we post here.
Annie Exactly!
I am probably the worst at spelling, and doing stupid stuff on here, BUT....
The way I look at it: there are sites that are all about Forums, this site is about helping others, and our selves.
You can not expect every person that comes on to this site (here) or even a small number of them to be a hard core Forum user.
I guess what I am saying is The "Old Timers" on here should know better, but you have to give the Newbies a break.
I hope that came out the way I meant it.
Thanks, :D I think that most would agree whole heartedly with you web63 especially where Newbies are concerned. My feelings are that they should be welcomed with open arms, and given a very wide bearth when it comes to the unwritten rules, and even those written rules on this forum. But that is just how I feel, and perhaps these feelings are not shared by all.
Communication is a wonderful thing.
Cheers to all! :)
I don't spel that grate either
TimM
AND.... bless, bless, BLESS those that continually and continuously take their time for the newbies.... to greet and thoughtfully answer these newbies that are hurting and confused!! And that goes for both sides of the people helping.....Alternatives and regular.
I recently joined another forum for diabetes and even though I am asking questions that are old hat to them and have been asked many times I have never been made to feel like mine wasn't the most important question in the world. Yes, I know how to use search engines but sometimes don't want to plow through long lists of them.
Juanita
Originally Posted by einna:
Double posting and cross posting is annoying and is tolerated here much too often, as is not posting in the appropriate catagory. It's obvious that the posters are ignoring the "rules" and the rules of etiquette.
Your response:
"Well, what might seem obvious to you, or me, or someone else might not be the intent of the person that is adept at annoying you, me or someone else. Hopefully, this thread will help us all better understand what others find aggravating, and allow each of us to change our styles and embrace the diversity on this forum."
The abuse mentioned in my original post is most often done by "oldies" who know better, but they feel they need to get their message across and across and across. I don't believe I am so special or "readable" that I think it is directed to annoy me, and they don't. It's the forum I am concerned with, not anyone's ego. (As a matter of fact, I believe I'm probably the last person on their mind(s) while they are posting.)
It's easy to overlook the newbies not being familiar with the site's rules. I don't think a newbie ought ever be insulted with unimportant details. To the others who know better and still insist on messing up or crowding the forums, shame on you! Let's keep this place as readable as possible.
Annie
Originally Posted by einna:
Double posting and cross posting is annoying and is tolerated here much too often, as is not posting in the appropriate catagory. It's obvious that the posters are ignoring the "rules" and the rules of etiquette.
The abuse mentioned in my original post is most often done by "oldies" who know better, but they feel they need to get their message across and across and across...
It's easy to overlook the newbies not being familiar with the site's rules... Let's keep this place as readable as possible.
Annie I agree newbies are rarely annoying and for the most part very sincere. This thread however is not about pointing fingers, of which I have eight :eek: It is about everyone taking a look at themselves and asking. Is this a better place because I am here? If the honest answer is anything but a resounding YES! then perhaps we as individuals need to think about how we might change, and perhaps voice outloud what breaches of etiquette bother us the most. (I hear you annie)
For my personal improvement, I am going to concentrate on the following:
Thanks for this post...I am relatively new to these type of forums, so I am in no way speaking from experience, rather from my own limited opinion on the matter...One thing that seems to "clog" the forum are games. For example, if I haven't been on for awhile and click on new posts, I need to wade through the titles, which often include a number of games. Perhaps there could be a separate section for those who enjoy games, thus allowing for informational type posts to be more easily identified. Just a thought.
The Conversations Forum is for just this type of thing.
It is totally off topic of the disease we all suffer with.
This is where I can come to have fun, and chat with others.
If it is Info you want , you should to the Living with psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis Forum.
We have conversations on here, pla
Which is the Right Fork? Actually there is not a Right fork. All forks are placed to the left side of the service plate and soup bowl (stacked). Left to right in this order: fish fork, dinner fork, salad fork. The cake fork is located above the dinner plates just below the dessert spoon with the tines facing to the right.
Hope this helps.
I agree etiquette can be boring, thus very loose guidlines to help weed out the sincere from the trolls, and otherwise rude folks that show up from time to time.
PS Until this post, I didn't have a clue which fork went where?
Cheers,
TimM
Hmm, maybe I should have said correct instead of right as I used it in a different context than you interpreted. Oh well. Just another example of the redundancy of etiquette.
The glass is half full from where I sit. :)
Hmmm now where I see it, it is half empty :D
Just kidding, just trying to carry on a conversation in the "Conversations Forum"
Hmm, maybe I should have said correct instead of right as I used it in a different context than you interpreted. Oh well. Just another example of the redundancy of etiquette.
The glass is half full from where I sit. :) Add some good old redundant etiquette and that half full cup just might runneth over with human kimdness.
Cheers
TimM
Just be happy to have a glass! ;)
Add some good old redundant etiquette and that half full cup just might runneth over with human kimdness.
Cheers
TimM Some of the kindest people I've ever met had no idea it wasn't proper to wear white after labor day or which of the tiny spoons at the Queen's table was meant for creme brulee.
Hopefully, etiquette will never be confused with kindness but I guess, from what I've read, it is.
A shame.
Anyway, it is my ambition to help others relieve their psoriasis symptoms, whether by mutually sharing stories, offering alternative remedies or good ole fashion kindness.
It truly has never bothered me if someone makes mistakes in their posting style. As I said before, sincerity, not elegance. I'm sure some will read my post and think I'm unkind. Nothing could be further from the truth as I wish the best for everyone in these here forums. We might not agree on everything, which is impossible anyway, but we can all agree that psoriasis is the one thing we'd like out of our lives.
Whether in a three piece suit or a tank top and cut-offs, we all can agree on this.
Cheers to you as well. :)
Just be happy to have a glass! ;) Now that's what I call positive attitude!:D
Now that's what I call positive attitude!:D
One near death experience is all it takes! ;)
You never know when your time is going to be up.
Only worry about the things you can control and forget about the rest.
Surround yourself with positive people and positive energy.......everything else will take care of itself!
Admittedly, I am not the most computer literate person....but I think Steve said it best. Actually I'm so busy DRINKING from my own glass ( :) ) that I just cannot be bothered with trying to keep up with all this new etiquette stuff. Just as when I am in a fine restaurant with all that silverware facing me, I honestly feel you just cannot go wrong with plain, old fashioned, every day kindness and courtesy when posting. If someone cannot find what they are searching for and he/she creates a new thread it really doesn't bother me. Heck, if we all made an effort to search before posting, pretty soon I will bet we'd have little that's new and exciting to discuss about P or PA. We could probably cut down to one basic forum.
Now, for my big question.....since I have typed for so many years, just please, please, please tell me, WHO IN THE WORLD made up the thing about all caps being YELLING???!!??? All caps are definitely very difficult to read, but..................... :D
Nancy
If someone cannot find what they are searching for and he/she creates a new thread it really doesn't bother me. Heck, if we all made an effort to search before posting, pretty soon I will bet we'd have little that's new and exciting to discuss about P or PA. We could probably cut down to one basic forum.
Now, for my big question.....since I have typed for so many years, just please, please, please tell me, WHO IN THE WORLD made up the thing about all caps being YELLING???!!???
Nancy LOL Nancy,
Who's YELLING? It's a usenet thingy.
You bring up a very interesting point about searching. Almost every set of netiquette guidelines that I have read (I used the wikipedia in the first post cus' it was the most generic) suggests that forum, or newsgroup members "search" a topic before posting a new thread. Unless I am looking for something very specific, I rarely use this tool. It appears as though we are not alone and you have echoed the sentiments of others that have already posted in this thread. Perhaps this is not a very good guidleline or maybe just not applicable most of the time in this forum.Some of the kindest people I've ever met had no idea it wasn't proper to wear white after labor day or which of the tiny spoons at the Queen's table was meant for creme brulee.
Hopefully, etiquette will never be confused with kindness but I guess, from what I've read, it is. Ah! So you have eaten at Dick's Last Resort What a fun place and the proper etiquette there would hardly be fit for the Queen, but she might have a very good time just the same. Proper etiquette should never be confused with stoginess. I suppose proper etiquette would best be described by the idiom "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Anyhow which of the wikipedia suggestions do you take exception to? I did not know that I was not supposed to wear white after Labor Day, and I'll pass on looking up info on tiny spoons. The fork search wore me out.
Only worry about the things you can control and forget about the rest.
Surround yourself with positive people and positive energy.......everything else will take care of itself! Is this a hint, or a suggestion for a NJ get together?
So far it appears as though the use of the search tool is way down on the list.
Cheers!
TimM
Anyhow, Wikipedia has provided some rules to live by the first of which is extremely important. Feel free to grab one or more of the a topics below and post your thoughts. If anyone has not read the , I suggest you do so before reading another word. Then come back and post away. Together we can keep this place a vibrant and well mannered forum, whilst we keep searching and hoping for a cure! I am interested in hearing everyone's comments and perhaps changing my thoughts and posting habits, for the good of the community.
...Before creating a new topic thread, one is advised to search to see if a similar topic already exists. i try to find threads but most of the time i can't ...
richard Excellent Rich!
I am not sure how this forums search tool works, but there is a sticky that helps to spell out the procedure for searching. It is good to see that you try to find a topic before making a redundant post. I am amazed at the number of folks that are very computer savvy but still insist on generating new threads on identical topics over and over again. I think that this is an area where we can all improve and help this forum become an even better place than it already is.
Thanks for your comments. :)
Cheers
TimM
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Certain rules of unspoken etiquette are recommended to be followed when using Internet forums. They include:
I think these four are my favorites.
>Before creating a new topic thread, one is advised to search to see if a similar topic already exists.
Search for the topic first. This is a an issue especially here. I am certainly not complaining, because I have willingly posted the same information and links to previous discussions, to new people many times over. I think we all know that MikeK is the best example of this. He's got this DOWN! When I first came here, the first thing I did was search the archives. The thing that I worry about most, is that people who really have good advice are getting burnt out on giving it out for the 100 millionth time. So they quit giving it out. So the newbies, instead of searching the archives to find this really awesome information- just post a new thread- and never get the info. I know that we have all read this many times:
"I didn't search the archives cause I thought I would get the advice quicker here"
I always try to respond and encourage them to search. Anyway- the fact that these new members, who may not stick around for very long, who might be newly diagnosed- are going to miss out of some really important stuff, cause they don't search- kinda worries me.
>Contributors should avoid the use of all CAPITAL LETTERS in posts. All CAPS is considered "shouting" and causes readability issues.
I hate it when people post in all CAPS. I can't read it, it makes my eyes go all crossed. Its really not too much of an issue here, but every once in a while it comes up. I have gotten to where I won't even answer a post that's in all caps. I mean, if you want to emphasize something, that's fine. But give your caps button a break. If you don't feel like capitalizing some letters, and you think the answer is to just type in ALL CAPS, PLEASE DON'T, just don't capitalize at all. I can live with that. This also leads into my feelings on proofreading. I don't expect the postings to be perfect, because mine certainly never are, but just read it over. If I can't understand it because the grammar/spelling is so bad-- chances are you are less likely to get many responses.
>One should try to refrain from lashing back at a poorly behaving member or participating in a flame war; instead, notify the message board's staff of the event.
Flame wars suck. They don't help anyone. Relevant information is never posted. They just hog bandwidth. It always disintegrates into a "my opinion is right, and yours is wrong." If, however, an intelligent debate were to form, that is another thing completely. But that rarely happens. I think that they completely defeat the purpose of a self-help board as well. No one is able to help each other if they are furiously typing at each other!
>When quoting a previous post, one should only include the relevant portion of that post. Contributors are requested to keep in mind that their audience can likely still see the message they are quoting on the same screen and can read it again if need be.
Quoting a previous post. That's kind of self explanatory, and a little nit-picky on my part. When people quote an entire post, for really no reason- it just kinda jumbles up the thread.
OK- off of the soap box now!
Great thread nesielheum, very relevant topic.
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hi tim,
im not sure how the search tools works either. im not good with computers. of all the threads i started on here. none of them were meant to offend any one or hurt any one. i don't think it's right to do that. i beleive in just helpping were i can. if it's just saying good moring to some one. if that helps. that's what it's all about. help people and don't not putting them down
have a good night my friend
richard
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Tim,
I carefully read your list and feel impelled to comment. I would like to add that moderators have much to do with how well forums are run. For instance, guidelines are often enforced sternly for some and bent for others.
When I perform a forum search on this sight, in order not to duplicate, I find I am presented with too much ambiguous information. I think what might happen here is that posters, especially newbies unfamiliar with the topics & terminology, don't have the time to read dozens of former posts to see where their statement or question might fit in. As I've said about this site before, our most popular topics are clumped into one big forum. A little selective division is in store.
Double posting and cross posting is annoying and is tolerated here much too often, as is not posting in the appropriate catagory. It's obvious that the posters are ignoring the "rules" and the rules of etiquette. In that instance do you feel the moderators should be stepping in? I assume that your post is a general inquistion, but also one that also relates to what we have going on here.
Necroing, lack of courtesy, CAPS, quoting entire posts, flame wars, self absorbing new posts...it seems to happen here more often than it should. Are you asking how we feel about these guidelines? Or are you asking how we can conform more closely to these guidelines? As we can't personally control what others post I assume it should be up to the moderators to monitor and edit what is posted.
I too plead guilty to having crossed the guidelines. LOL!!! I'm probably the queen of suspension. Sometimes it's been offensive, more often defensive. Sometimes I've felt it was totally unfair and other times borderline unfair.
Ooooops, didn't mean to turn this thing into me, me, me, me. But I guess that's how we feel when we post here. So while we are all bent and emotional, guidelines don't become our major priority. Maybe when sites such as ours are so varied and emotional we might want to bend the rules once in a while. But it has to be fair and that is where an unbiased moderating team comes in.
This website is bound to be more emotionally fueled than your average site. We need to respect one another's opinions and choices. Let's fight the disease, not one another. Hope this and all the other sites dedicated to P/PA never end!!!!
XOXOXOXO
Annie
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"Certain rules of unspoken etiquette are recommended to be followed when using Internet forums. They include:"
I am probably the worst at spelling, and doing stupid stuff on here, BUT....
The way I look at it: there are sites that are all about Forums, this site is about helping others, and our selves.
The way I look at it is... I am assuming that most people (newbies) on here, are so desperate for information, and probably not forum users. They come on here looking for information to help them through a dark time in their life.
This site is not a "Forum Only" site, like a lot of the Political ones.
You can not expect every person that comes on to this site (here) or even a small number of them to be a hard core Forum user.
I guess what I am saying is The "Old Timers" on here should know better, but you have to give the Newbies a break.
I hope that came out the way I meant it.
Thanks,
Edited: because I am a losy speller :D
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Tim,
I carefully read your list and feel impelled to comment... Without comments I would have no idea how you feel, nor would anyone else. BTW it's not my list :o
When I perform a forum search on this sight, in order not to duplicate, I find I am presented with too much ambiguous information... Yes, often times too broad a search yields too many results, and too narrow a search brings back nothing, This can be frustrating, and leave us with little choice but to start a new thread.
Double posting and cross posting is annoying and is tolerated here much too often, as is not posting in the appropriate catagory. It's obvious that the posters are ignoring the "rules" and the rules of etiquette. Well, what might seem obvious to you, or me, or someone else might not be the intent of the person that is adept at annoying you, me or someone else. Hopefully, this thread will help us all better understand what others find aggravating, and allow each of us to change our styles and embrace the diversity on this forum.
In that instance do you feel the moderators should be stepping in? Only as a last resort. Personally, I use the report feature as a means of venting rather than getting involved in a flame, which I used to do all of the time.
Or are you asking how we can conform more closely to these guidelines? I am really not asking anything, I was hoping that these discussions would merely give each of us the opportunity to look at ourselves and share what we as individuals feel regarding the subject of netiquette. Basically the entire thread is devoted to me me me, you you you, and us us us. All rolled into one.
I too plead guilty to having crossed the guidelines. Tell me something I don't know :eek:
Ooooops, didn't mean to turn this thing into me, me, me, me. But I guess that's how we feel when we post here.
Annie Exactly!
I am probably the worst at spelling, and doing stupid stuff on here, BUT....
The way I look at it: there are sites that are all about Forums, this site is about helping others, and our selves.
You can not expect every person that comes on to this site (here) or even a small number of them to be a hard core Forum user.
I guess what I am saying is The "Old Timers" on here should know better, but you have to give the Newbies a break.
I hope that came out the way I meant it.
Thanks, :D I think that most would agree whole heartedly with you web63 especially where Newbies are concerned. My feelings are that they should be welcomed with open arms, and given a very wide bearth when it comes to the unwritten rules, and even those written rules on this forum. But that is just how I feel, and perhaps these feelings are not shared by all.
Communication is a wonderful thing.
Cheers to all! :)
I don't spel that grate either
TimM
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AND.... bless, bless, BLESS those that continually and continuously take their time for the newbies.... to greet and thoughtfully answer these newbies that are hurting and confused!! And that goes for both sides of the people helping.....Alternatives and regular.
I recently joined another forum for diabetes and even though I am asking questions that are old hat to them and have been asked many times I have never been made to feel like mine wasn't the most important question in the world. Yes, I know how to use search engines but sometimes don't want to plow through long lists of them.
Juanita
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Originally Posted by einna:
Double posting and cross posting is annoying and is tolerated here much too often, as is not posting in the appropriate catagory. It's obvious that the posters are ignoring the "rules" and the rules of etiquette.
Your response:
"Well, what might seem obvious to you, or me, or someone else might not be the intent of the person that is adept at annoying you, me or someone else. Hopefully, this thread will help us all better understand what others find aggravating, and allow each of us to change our styles and embrace the diversity on this forum."
The abuse mentioned in my original post is most often done by "oldies" who know better, but they feel they need to get their message across and across and across. I don't believe I am so special or "readable" that I think it is directed to annoy me, and they don't. It's the forum I am concerned with, not anyone's ego. (As a matter of fact, I believe I'm probably the last person on their mind(s) while they are posting.)
It's easy to overlook the newbies not being familiar with the site's rules. I don't think a newbie ought ever be insulted with unimportant details. To the others who know better and still insist on messing up or crowding the forums, shame on you! Let's keep this place as readable as possible.
Annie
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Originally Posted by einna:
Double posting and cross posting is annoying and is tolerated here much too often, as is not posting in the appropriate catagory. It's obvious that the posters are ignoring the "rules" and the rules of etiquette.
The abuse mentioned in my original post is most often done by "oldies" who know better, but they feel they need to get their message across and across and across...
It's easy to overlook the newbies not being familiar with the site's rules... Let's keep this place as readable as possible.
Annie I agree newbies are rarely annoying and for the most part very sincere. This thread however is not about pointing fingers, of which I have eight :eek: It is about everyone taking a look at themselves and asking. Is this a better place because I am here? If the honest answer is anything but a resounding YES! then perhaps we as individuals need to think about how we might change, and perhaps voice outloud what breaches of etiquette bother us the most. (I hear you annie)
For my personal improvement, I am going to concentrate on the following:
Thanks for this post...I am relatively new to these type of forums, so I am in no way speaking from experience, rather from my own limited opinion on the matter...One thing that seems to "clog" the forum are games. For example, if I haven't been on for awhile and click on new posts, I need to wade through the titles, which often include a number of games. Perhaps there could be a separate section for those who enjoy games, thus allowing for informational type posts to be more easily identified. Just a thought.
The Conversations Forum is for just this type of thing.
It is totally off topic of the disease we all suffer with.
This is where I can come to have fun, and chat with others.
If it is Info you want , you should to the Living with psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis Forum.
We have conversations on here, pla
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Which is the Right Fork? Actually there is not a Right fork. All forks are placed to the left side of the service plate and soup bowl (stacked). Left to right in this order: fish fork, dinner fork, salad fork. The cake fork is located above the dinner plates just below the dessert spoon with the tines facing to the right.
Hope this helps.
I agree etiquette can be boring, thus very loose guidlines to help weed out the sincere from the trolls, and otherwise rude folks that show up from time to time.
PS Until this post, I didn't have a clue which fork went where?
Cheers,
TimM
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Hmm, maybe I should have said correct instead of right as I used it in a different context than you interpreted. Oh well. Just another example of the redundancy of etiquette.
The glass is half full from where I sit. :)
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Hmmm now where I see it, it is half empty :D
Just kidding, just trying to carry on a conversation in the "Conversations Forum"
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Hmm, maybe I should have said correct instead of right as I used it in a different context than you interpreted. Oh well. Just another example of the redundancy of etiquette.
The glass is half full from where I sit. :) Add some good old redundant etiquette and that half full cup just might runneth over with human kimdness.
Cheers
TimM
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Just be happy to have a glass! ;)
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Add some good old redundant etiquette and that half full cup just might runneth over with human kimdness.
Cheers
TimM Some of the kindest people I've ever met had no idea it wasn't proper to wear white after labor day or which of the tiny spoons at the Queen's table was meant for creme brulee.
Hopefully, etiquette will never be confused with kindness but I guess, from what I've read, it is.
A shame.
Anyway, it is my ambition to help others relieve their psoriasis symptoms, whether by mutually sharing stories, offering alternative remedies or good ole fashion kindness.
It truly has never bothered me if someone makes mistakes in their posting style. As I said before, sincerity, not elegance. I'm sure some will read my post and think I'm unkind. Nothing could be further from the truth as I wish the best for everyone in these here forums. We might not agree on everything, which is impossible anyway, but we can all agree that psoriasis is the one thing we'd like out of our lives.
Whether in a three piece suit or a tank top and cut-offs, we all can agree on this.
Cheers to you as well. :)
Just be happy to have a glass! ;) Now that's what I call positive attitude!:D
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Now that's what I call positive attitude!:D
One near death experience is all it takes! ;)
You never know when your time is going to be up.
Only worry about the things you can control and forget about the rest.
Surround yourself with positive people and positive energy.......everything else will take care of itself!
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Admittedly, I am not the most computer literate person....but I think Steve said it best. Actually I'm so busy DRINKING from my own glass ( :) ) that I just cannot be bothered with trying to keep up with all this new etiquette stuff. Just as when I am in a fine restaurant with all that silverware facing me, I honestly feel you just cannot go wrong with plain, old fashioned, every day kindness and courtesy when posting. If someone cannot find what they are searching for and he/she creates a new thread it really doesn't bother me. Heck, if we all made an effort to search before posting, pretty soon I will bet we'd have little that's new and exciting to discuss about P or PA. We could probably cut down to one basic forum.
Now, for my big question.....since I have typed for so many years, just please, please, please tell me, WHO IN THE WORLD made up the thing about all caps being YELLING???!!??? All caps are definitely very difficult to read, but..................... :D
Nancy
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If someone cannot find what they are searching for and he/she creates a new thread it really doesn't bother me. Heck, if we all made an effort to search before posting, pretty soon I will bet we'd have little that's new and exciting to discuss about P or PA. We could probably cut down to one basic forum.
Now, for my big question.....since I have typed for so many years, just please, please, please tell me, WHO IN THE WORLD made up the thing about all caps being YELLING???!!???
Nancy LOL Nancy,
Who's YELLING? It's a usenet thingy.
You bring up a very interesting point about searching. Almost every set of netiquette guidelines that I have read (I used the wikipedia in the first post cus' it was the most generic) suggests that forum, or newsgroup members "search" a topic before posting a new thread. Unless I am looking for something very specific, I rarely use this tool. It appears as though we are not alone and you have echoed the sentiments of others that have already posted in this thread. Perhaps this is not a very good guidleline or maybe just not applicable most of the time in this forum.Some of the kindest people I've ever met had no idea it wasn't proper to wear white after labor day or which of the tiny spoons at the Queen's table was meant for creme brulee.
Hopefully, etiquette will never be confused with kindness but I guess, from what I've read, it is. Ah! So you have eaten at Dick's Last Resort What a fun place and the proper etiquette there would hardly be fit for the Queen, but she might have a very good time just the same. Proper etiquette should never be confused with stoginess. I suppose proper etiquette would best be described by the idiom "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Anyhow which of the wikipedia suggestions do you take exception to? I did not know that I was not supposed to wear white after Labor Day, and I'll pass on looking up info on tiny spoons. The fork search wore me out.
Only worry about the things you can control and forget about the rest.
Surround yourself with positive people and positive energy.......everything else will take care of itself! Is this a hint, or a suggestion for a NJ get together?
So far it appears as though the use of the search tool is way down on the list.
Cheers!
TimM
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