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My husband does very dangerous work, and with that in mind I have watched minute by minute as the situation with the miners has unfolded. I did this three years ago as well with the QueCreek incident here in my state.
It is 3:44 in the morning right now. I know I should be asleep,but to see what has happened,and the "MIS INFORMATION" they gave. I feel like the whole world has been punched in the stomach. I cannot, for one minute imagine what these families are feeling right now. I am in total shock and disbelief. I literally stayed up so I could watch the miners come out once it was announced late tonight that they were alive.
HOW COULD THEY HAVE BEEN THIS WRONG????????????????????????????
Someone's lying, and I hope and pray that it comes out. God does not like ugly, and what has happened to these miners and their families is UGLY. Feel like I could die of a broken heart tonight. I am truly sickened over this. They need more prayers than ever now. I hope and pray that God is with them, and may he bless their souls. This is truly a horrible turn of events.
Elaine
My mom grew up in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. (I still have family there.) That's coal mining country. Everyone (my family included) either knows someone or is related to someone who was killed in a mining accident. I know that life literally comes to a halt in coal country whenever there is an accident in the mines. Regardless of where in the world that accident happens. I'm sure that everyone in coal country is hurting this morning. (I know how I feel.) It could have been any one of them.
My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone who has been affected by this tragedy. I'm especially thinking and praying for the the families and friends of those hard working men who lost their lives. The fact that they were lied to seems especially cruel. :( :mad: (Sigh)
Mike
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HOW COULD THEY HAVE BEEN THIS WRONG????????????????????????????
Someone's lying, and I hope and pray that it comes out. God does not like ugly, and what has happened to these miners and their families is UGLY. Feel like I could die of a broken heart tonight. I am truly sickened over this. They need more prayers than ever now. I hope and pray that God is with them, and may he bless their souls. This is truly a horrible turn of events.
Elaine
Elaine,,,my thought also,,,God does not like UGLY!
I am thinking more and more that someone needs to call off the media. It seems that most of them will tell anything for a story. Just like in Iraq,,,they seldom tell about the good that has been done. More and more we hear of lies being reported as truth.
I think the media should be kept away from things like this, until it is over. Let the people mourn or have joy in the truth.
I pray for the people in W Va.
Because the media in the country has turned journalism into capitalism. Two things that in the end don’t really mix well. And this is an example of it. They were monitoring transmissions. Someone heard a brief blip that said "we found 12 of them, we are checking vital signs now" person that over heard this ran off and tipped someone and in the media and it turned into "they found them alive".
Journalism is dead in this country, it’s all about one up men ship now. Get the story first before the competitor does. Run whatever spoon feed dribble people want to hear to them. Don’t make people think, just repeat talking points and make them feel warm and fuzzy.
I took one journalism class in school a while back. Just because I thought it would help my analytical skills. What I learned was sad; the prof. had us for a last project put a news show together. He gave us all the stories and clips that had to be used and then had we put it all together. I don’t remember what all the clips where but one was the President announcing his tax plan, the other was a rate hick for transportation. ECT and we had a clip of a horse that got spooked took off running hit a car and so on. We put that at the end of the show and the Pres. and rate hike in the beginning. He said that was all wrong. The clip of the horse should have been first. We said that doesn’t really tell people anything. He told us it didn’t have it, it’s a clip that will hook the people. If you bore them with the Pres. Most of them will turn it off. If you put the show together in this order at any major new desk they never run it that way.
Its become Don Henley
Journalism is now a big dog and pony show, you would think with something this important they would want to be sure and not announce "hear Say" as fact. But even with things like this, it’s about beating the other guy and not the news.
-Fox
I didn't grow up here in the mountains, but slowly I am becoming accustomed to them. I live very very close to mining country here. Many know of the history in Jim Thorpe (Mauch Chunk {Lenape for "Sleeping Bear}). This was truly mining country and many an Irish immigrant died in these mountains, ergo the Molly McGuires. Everyone in my neighborhood who is native to the area has had someone die in these mines. Most of the coal has been gone in this area for sometime now, but there are still some little mines open.
This is hitting me very hard, and I think it's mostly because I can feel the fear, the anguish. Growing up my grandfather worked the shipping docks in Hoboken, and Jersey City. He died at 55 from asbestosis (asbestos expsoure on the docks). Many of his freinds did too. But moreover, my husband does very dangerous work. When he's not home and that phone rings, I JUMP-especially if it's late. His company does the work that CON ED refuses to do in NYC, below the subway working around very hot Steam lines. He works in Nuclear plants, Chemical plants, refinery's, etc. One day I did get a call. He was working on a fresh air line, and the meter's jumped. He used his training, grabbed his partner and got the hell out of dodge. His blood pressure jumped so high they rushed him to the ER. Thankfully he was not exposed to this noxious gas and he paid attention, but what about next time? I am really going to have a serious talk with him....this has really affected me. I cannot imagine what these families are going through right now.
Let me also apologize for making this so long., but as I said before, it has really affected me on a personal level. The shock still has not worn off. I do agree about the media-and I cannnot stand it anymore.
Elaine
Elaine,
I think most of live with some kind of fear for our loved ones while they are at work. I have sat in fear for my DH when he was in the AF. Bases or buildings in lock down because of a bomb threat or when he was on stand-by for some kind of duty. I don't think it ever ends because there is always going to be some kind of danger. We just have to learn to live with it.
I think this time, the people had accepted the fact that there most likely not be any survivors, then got the news that there was and again the sad news that the news was wrong.
I think the media is rotten, this was cruelty.
This is hitting me very hard, and I think it's mostly because I can feel the fear, the anguish. Growing up my grandfather worked the shipping docks in Hoboken, and Jersey City. I know exactly what you mean, Elaine. This is hitting me very hard to. Not only because of my connection to Coal Country, but also because of my connection to the docks and factories of Hudson County. As you know, I grew up (and still live) in Hoboken. I lived two blocks south of Todd Shipyards and two blocks west of Bethlehem Steel. Maxwell House was right next door to Bethlehem Steel. One of my uncles worked at Bethlehem Steel. So did several neighbors and family friends. Other friends and neighbors either worked the docks or at Bethlehem Steel, Maxwell House, and/or Todd Ship Yards. Then there was Jersey Forging and Colgate Palmolive in Jersey City. Accidents were far too common and people died far too young. You used to be able to tell from the endless wail of sirens whenever something really awful had happened. (There was a firehouse around the corner, so we were used to sirens. You could always tell when there was a tragedy.) It's hard to believe that all of these industrial giants are long gone. The ones in Hoboken have been converted into million dollar condos. (If their current residents only new.) My heart breaks for these families in West Virginia.
Mike
Im 43 (blushing now). I lived in the heights when the Levolorfire happened, and my ex husband used to work there. My mother was born and raised to a large Irish family that lived across the street in the projects from Jersey Forging. Her father (Ali Bird) worked in the National Cold Storage warehouse, but mainly her 15 siblings worked (and some stilldo) as Iron workers. It was my father's father (immigrated from Italy on a banana boat thru Ellis island) who was the longshoreman. Growing up (on Pavonia Avenue-
Downtown) many of my Polish freinds worked at Jersey Forging. As an adult I worked for a Plastic Surgeon in Greenville. He was not only Chief of staff at Jersey City Medical Center, but he was the company doctor for Colgate Palmolive. I can tell you as his office manager that Colgate was so dangerous that no Worker's comp carrier would pick them up, and they were self insured. I remember the man with the huge Lye burn that Dr. Reddy had to use Pigskin to cover. I remember the man that lost his ring finger because he slipped on a soapy wet ladder that had spikes. Your right, it's sad to see those giants gone-even Maxwell House, but in some respects I was not sorry to see Colgate go. It was dangerous there, and I was keenly aware of it.
In short I think you and I are reacting to this so 'violently" because we've seen so much and we know the dangers, and we know intuitively SOME of what those families are dealing with. I know personally for me, it will takes me a long while to get over this-if at all.
Elaine
I heard on our news that the church - where they had developed a community headquarters - got news late last night (after midnight) that they had found the men, and that they were checking their vital signs.
I'm sure that sounded hopeful. And then there was NO news for 4 hrs or more, so people assumed that there were vital signs to check.
So then 4 hours later they broke the bad news. It may have been a decision to wait til morning...and let people rest.
Also, I don't know where our local Seattle news gets its info.
Is is just sad, anyway you look at it. It's a shame that some people's jobs are so fraught with danger. But it seems that it is unavoidable, and safety then has to be the top priority.
Hi,
As I went to bed last night I saw where the miners were said to be alive. I fell asleep with the TV on and turned it off in the middle of the night sometime. When I woke up I turned it back on and saw where there was only one survivors. I was so upset!1 It's such devasting news and my heart goes out to all the friends and families. I will keep them in my thoughts and prayers and just am overwhelmed by the handling of this situation.
God Bless them all,
Sandy
It is 3:44 in the morning right now. I know I should be asleep,but to see what has happened,and the "MIS INFORMATION" they gave. I feel like the whole world has been punched in the stomach. I cannot, for one minute imagine what these families are feeling right now. I am in total shock and disbelief. I literally stayed up so I could watch the miners come out once it was announced late tonight that they were alive.
HOW COULD THEY HAVE BEEN THIS WRONG????????????????????????????
Someone's lying, and I hope and pray that it comes out. God does not like ugly, and what has happened to these miners and their families is UGLY. Feel like I could die of a broken heart tonight. I am truly sickened over this. They need more prayers than ever now. I hope and pray that God is with them, and may he bless their souls. This is truly a horrible turn of events.
Elaine
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My mom grew up in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. (I still have family there.) That's coal mining country. Everyone (my family included) either knows someone or is related to someone who was killed in a mining accident. I know that life literally comes to a halt in coal country whenever there is an accident in the mines. Regardless of where in the world that accident happens. I'm sure that everyone in coal country is hurting this morning. (I know how I feel.) It could have been any one of them.
My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone who has been affected by this tragedy. I'm especially thinking and praying for the the families and friends of those hard working men who lost their lives. The fact that they were lied to seems especially cruel. :( :mad: (Sigh)
Mike
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HOW COULD THEY HAVE BEEN THIS WRONG????????????????????????????
Someone's lying, and I hope and pray that it comes out. God does not like ugly, and what has happened to these miners and their families is UGLY. Feel like I could die of a broken heart tonight. I am truly sickened over this. They need more prayers than ever now. I hope and pray that God is with them, and may he bless their souls. This is truly a horrible turn of events.
Elaine
Elaine,,,my thought also,,,God does not like UGLY!
I am thinking more and more that someone needs to call off the media. It seems that most of them will tell anything for a story. Just like in Iraq,,,they seldom tell about the good that has been done. More and more we hear of lies being reported as truth.
I think the media should be kept away from things like this, until it is over. Let the people mourn or have joy in the truth.
I pray for the people in W Va.
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Because the media in the country has turned journalism into capitalism. Two things that in the end don’t really mix well. And this is an example of it. They were monitoring transmissions. Someone heard a brief blip that said "we found 12 of them, we are checking vital signs now" person that over heard this ran off and tipped someone and in the media and it turned into "they found them alive".
Journalism is dead in this country, it’s all about one up men ship now. Get the story first before the competitor does. Run whatever spoon feed dribble people want to hear to them. Don’t make people think, just repeat talking points and make them feel warm and fuzzy.
I took one journalism class in school a while back. Just because I thought it would help my analytical skills. What I learned was sad; the prof. had us for a last project put a news show together. He gave us all the stories and clips that had to be used and then had we put it all together. I don’t remember what all the clips where but one was the President announcing his tax plan, the other was a rate hick for transportation. ECT and we had a clip of a horse that got spooked took off running hit a car and so on. We put that at the end of the show and the Pres. and rate hike in the beginning. He said that was all wrong. The clip of the horse should have been first. We said that doesn’t really tell people anything. He told us it didn’t have it, it’s a clip that will hook the people. If you bore them with the Pres. Most of them will turn it off. If you put the show together in this order at any major new desk they never run it that way.
Its become Don Henley
Journalism is now a big dog and pony show, you would think with something this important they would want to be sure and not announce "hear Say" as fact. But even with things like this, it’s about beating the other guy and not the news.
-Fox
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I didn't grow up here in the mountains, but slowly I am becoming accustomed to them. I live very very close to mining country here. Many know of the history in Jim Thorpe (Mauch Chunk {Lenape for "Sleeping Bear}). This was truly mining country and many an Irish immigrant died in these mountains, ergo the Molly McGuires. Everyone in my neighborhood who is native to the area has had someone die in these mines. Most of the coal has been gone in this area for sometime now, but there are still some little mines open.
This is hitting me very hard, and I think it's mostly because I can feel the fear, the anguish. Growing up my grandfather worked the shipping docks in Hoboken, and Jersey City. He died at 55 from asbestosis (asbestos expsoure on the docks). Many of his freinds did too. But moreover, my husband does very dangerous work. When he's not home and that phone rings, I JUMP-especially if it's late. His company does the work that CON ED refuses to do in NYC, below the subway working around very hot Steam lines. He works in Nuclear plants, Chemical plants, refinery's, etc. One day I did get a call. He was working on a fresh air line, and the meter's jumped. He used his training, grabbed his partner and got the hell out of dodge. His blood pressure jumped so high they rushed him to the ER. Thankfully he was not exposed to this noxious gas and he paid attention, but what about next time? I am really going to have a serious talk with him....this has really affected me. I cannot imagine what these families are going through right now.
Let me also apologize for making this so long., but as I said before, it has really affected me on a personal level. The shock still has not worn off. I do agree about the media-and I cannnot stand it anymore.
Elaine
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Elaine,
I think most of live with some kind of fear for our loved ones while they are at work. I have sat in fear for my DH when he was in the AF. Bases or buildings in lock down because of a bomb threat or when he was on stand-by for some kind of duty. I don't think it ever ends because there is always going to be some kind of danger. We just have to learn to live with it.
I think this time, the people had accepted the fact that there most likely not be any survivors, then got the news that there was and again the sad news that the news was wrong.
I think the media is rotten, this was cruelty.
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This is hitting me very hard, and I think it's mostly because I can feel the fear, the anguish. Growing up my grandfather worked the shipping docks in Hoboken, and Jersey City. I know exactly what you mean, Elaine. This is hitting me very hard to. Not only because of my connection to Coal Country, but also because of my connection to the docks and factories of Hudson County. As you know, I grew up (and still live) in Hoboken. I lived two blocks south of Todd Shipyards and two blocks west of Bethlehem Steel. Maxwell House was right next door to Bethlehem Steel. One of my uncles worked at Bethlehem Steel. So did several neighbors and family friends. Other friends and neighbors either worked the docks or at Bethlehem Steel, Maxwell House, and/or Todd Ship Yards. Then there was Jersey Forging and Colgate Palmolive in Jersey City. Accidents were far too common and people died far too young. You used to be able to tell from the endless wail of sirens whenever something really awful had happened. (There was a firehouse around the corner, so we were used to sirens. You could always tell when there was a tragedy.) It's hard to believe that all of these industrial giants are long gone. The ones in Hoboken have been converted into million dollar condos. (If their current residents only new.) My heart breaks for these families in West Virginia.
Mike
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Im 43 (blushing now). I lived in the heights when the Levolorfire happened, and my ex husband used to work there. My mother was born and raised to a large Irish family that lived across the street in the projects from Jersey Forging. Her father (Ali Bird) worked in the National Cold Storage warehouse, but mainly her 15 siblings worked (and some stilldo) as Iron workers. It was my father's father (immigrated from Italy on a banana boat thru Ellis island) who was the longshoreman. Growing up (on Pavonia Avenue-
Downtown) many of my Polish freinds worked at Jersey Forging. As an adult I worked for a Plastic Surgeon in Greenville. He was not only Chief of staff at Jersey City Medical Center, but he was the company doctor for Colgate Palmolive. I can tell you as his office manager that Colgate was so dangerous that no Worker's comp carrier would pick them up, and they were self insured. I remember the man with the huge Lye burn that Dr. Reddy had to use Pigskin to cover. I remember the man that lost his ring finger because he slipped on a soapy wet ladder that had spikes. Your right, it's sad to see those giants gone-even Maxwell House, but in some respects I was not sorry to see Colgate go. It was dangerous there, and I was keenly aware of it.
In short I think you and I are reacting to this so 'violently" because we've seen so much and we know the dangers, and we know intuitively SOME of what those families are dealing with. I know personally for me, it will takes me a long while to get over this-if at all.
Elaine
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I heard on our news that the church - where they had developed a community headquarters - got news late last night (after midnight) that they had found the men, and that they were checking their vital signs.
I'm sure that sounded hopeful. And then there was NO news for 4 hrs or more, so people assumed that there were vital signs to check.
So then 4 hours later they broke the bad news. It may have been a decision to wait til morning...and let people rest.
Also, I don't know where our local Seattle news gets its info.
Is is just sad, anyway you look at it. It's a shame that some people's jobs are so fraught with danger. But it seems that it is unavoidable, and safety then has to be the top priority.
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Hi,
As I went to bed last night I saw where the miners were said to be alive. I fell asleep with the TV on and turned it off in the middle of the night sometime. When I woke up I turned it back on and saw where there was only one survivors. I was so upset!1 It's such devasting news and my heart goes out to all the friends and families. I will keep them in my thoughts and prayers and just am overwhelmed by the handling of this situation.
God Bless them all,
Sandy
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