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It's now been nearly four days since the hurricane passed throught the gulf coast......where the hell is the federal aid? There are people down in the gulf without food and water and shelter. I won't even go into the problems in New Orleans. I think we have all seen the t.v. pictures.Last year the aid was speedy and rapid...........it was an election year.
If I hear Bush say " it's going to be hard work" one more time, I swear I'll go postal.
They ask everyone to give to a charity of their choice....sorry. between gas prices raising , my electric bill doubling and my wind storm insurance out the roof, I'm tapped out.
If President Bush can spend the billions of dollars he already has for Iraq for a war that was needed, he better find the billions of dollars to put our country back together.
Go ahead and yell at me...........but I'm pissed at George W.
About help getting there,,,,,it takes time,,,,,,there were live power lines, trees down, roads underwater, gas leaks,,,,,,,,,,there is a lot to do before the workers can get to the people.
Some of these people could have left the area,,,,,they had plenty of warnings,,,,,
I think Alli is talking about her area in the Keys. There was never a hurricane warning there nor evactuation notices because the storm made an unexpected southern turn as it was approaching land. I think the Floridians that are in need are pretty much screwed because as bad as some of South Florida got hit it still is nothing compared to the complete anialation of New Orleans.
What's worse is that FEMA hasn't declared South Florida a disaster area and there preventing individuals from getting Federal Aid. I think this is a big mistakes since I know a lady in Homestead who lost her whole house.
I think the Feds are responding to the best of their ability in Lousiana and Alabama, it's not an overnight occurance to mobilize 10,000 national guard troups and gather all the water, bedding, and food to start shipping.
It's just sad that the South Floridians that did loose everything (and there are pleny of them) are being forgotten.
i understand your frustration, we feel the same way we got people stuck it attics and they wait 3 days to respond. i know things are slow but come on.
day at a time i guess
No, I don't been the Keys, nor am I referring to Florida. I'm talking about the gulf states. I know things take time, but we're talking about going on four days with no fresh water.
When I went through Hugo in the Virgin islands in 1989, things took time, but we were on an island. Because of that, most people REALLY prepare for storms down there.
The reporting out of New Orleans this morning is horrific. Gangs are now armed with guns looted out of stores, they can't move the people out of the superdome due to gun shots.
I'm just frustrated for these people.
I just heard that there are "GOOD" people waiting with boats to go in and rescue people but can't because they are being shot at. Army heliocopters being shot at. Shooting in the Superdome.
How do they expect anything to get done?
What scares me the most for these people is that they have no homes or jobs and probably won't even be allowed back into the city for a month or two. Not to mention the process of getting insurance adjusters to look at the houses (when they can get to them) and make payments. Most of the homeowners that lost houses still have mortgages, so are the banks going to do the proper thing and suspend payments or are they going to be @$$holes and start foreclosing?
Our governent needs to quit spending money on all these countries and wars and spend it on us! WE pay for their help, and they don't listen! I am so anti-Bush now! He can kiss my butt if he wants to draft me!
No, I don't been the Keys, nor am I referring to Florida. I'm talking about the gulf states. I know things take time, but we're talking about going on four days with no fresh water.
When I went through Hugo in the Virgin islands in 1989, things took time, but we were on an island. Because of that, most people REALLY prepare for storms down there.
I hear ya, Alli. And I thank you for reminding us that the suffering and hardship is all along the gulf coast, and we all need to try and do what we can for all of the victims of this terrible storm. I've heard that the storm surge around Gulfport/Pass Christian was 30 feet in places. I've heard of houses that made it through Camille in '69 that were completely wiped out by Katrina. Let us know of specific ways that we can help. Many of the cities up here are having telethons for disaster aid and people are giving. A number of my friends are going through red cross training so that they can volunteer as relief workers. You have a community of support here. Let us know what you need. Take care,
MK
Even Jerry Lewis and the Muscular Dystrophy Association are giving a hand in the collection process. The MDA is donating $1 million dollars of it's own proceeds to the relief efforts.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...n ation312_xml
Our governent needs to quit spending money on all these countries and wars and spend it on us! WE pay for their help, and they don't listen! I am so anti-Bush now! He can kiss my butt if he wants to draft me!
This is not all Bush,,,,,,,it's been going on forever. I really wish they would stop ALL and immigration until new laws could be written.
If we had all our tax money and what we have donated over the years, we would be millionaires, over and over,,,,,,,,,
I also think it would be a good idea to evacuate Washington DC, and start all over.
The mayor of New Orleans ordered the evacuation of the city at least 1 full day prior to this storm hitting. In addition, hurricane warnings were posted and people new it was coming.
I know there are some that had "significant" issues with evacuating their homes, but, how many people DO NOT heed these warnings ahead of time?
When the government warns people and they stay put for a hurricane party or to protect their "property" or they say "my house has been here for 200 years, it will survive again", I have little sympathy for them. I do, however, have faith that their will to survive is strong and they will do the best they can with what they have.
A lot of the people that I see in New Orleans apparently did not heed the warnings of their own local government and now they want the police, feds, coast guards to save their butts. I see cars floating in New Orleans, these should have hauled people out of town last Saturday. I see plenty of people walking and jumping up and down on roofs. These were not sick and elderly, a lot were strong and walking. I think had they gone to the superdome when they were told too, a lot of this need for the basics would be done.
I live in Michigan and we don't have hurricanes, but we do have floods and tornados. When a tornado is around we get about a five minute warning. We don't have partys, we take shelter. We also have floods. I live near to a river and almost every year it floods in the same place and you see people using boats to get to their houses everyyear like clockwork. They know this problem well ahead why they stay I do not know.
Now, if a lot of people who were able to evacuate, evacuated prior to the storm, the feds, state and locals would have a much easier time of evacuating and helping those who did have good reasons not to leave.
I lost my home in a windstorm 7 years ago. In five minutes of wind all of my cars were wrecked and my house was wrecked. We had very little if any warning for this storm yet we survived. We took shelter and then got out. It took a year for us to rebuild. We moved back in with mom and dad for an entire year. It wasn't a lot of fun but we had a lot of neighbors, co-workers, and family that helped.
There are a lot of resources that are available. Many of us are resiliant people in America. Blaming the government, at any level, is the wrong thing to do in this situation. Sometimes we need to rely on our own survival skills, our familys, and neighbors. Thats what America is about. We've had many challenges before, we'll overcome this one.
I know that the "don't head the warnings" message doesn't sound good right now but I watched a lot of the television programs and my buddy "sheppard smith" on fox was talking about the people partying in the french quarter. Now tell me, if you've got energy to party on the day before the storm don't you thing you might have the energy to make your way to superdome or another shelter?
Those of you blaming the government for acting slowly need to go back to Saturday when the mayor of New Orleans told everyone to get out. And if you claim the superdome, the mayor told them that even that was a "last resort".
I just cannot fathom why people would not heed the warnings that this storm brought forth.
Property can be replaced, people can't. Property takes time and we all know that. When you live in these areas you should know your climate. Why people shack up in hurricanes I have no clue. A lot are plain NUTS.
As for the government, I've worked for them for all of my adult life, in the police and in the air force. Those that did not heed the warnings and could have now put the government worker at peril. Pray for the cop in New Orleans that was shot in the head by the looter!
This whole mess makes me sick. I can assure you that locally those cops are humping to get things done there but they are under the same duress as those in need. Remember too that the cops have familys and homes in the area as well. Things aren't good but you must have faith that our resiliance will get us through.
Our governent needs to quit spending money on all these countries and wars and spend it on us! WE pay for their help, and they don't listen! I am so anti-Bush now! He can kiss my butt if he wants to draft me!
Quinn, as a young american citizen you shouldn't worry about being drafted, you should volunteer like the many of us since Vietnam have. I was in the service under Bush 1 and Clinton and I can assure you that although they are commander in chief, it really isn't that political when it comes to getting a job done.
I have no idea how people can mix politics in with this storm. I'm sick of people looking for scapegoats. People, this was a hurricane. We have them every year and we have advance warning. Most of the people that live in these areas know what a hurricane is and what it does and can do.
For the few that don't I feel very sorry for them, but I'm pretty sure that there were some "tough" people that are now reconsidering their actions.
Amen, Brother Brad!
I won't say what I think should be done to the looters and shooters. This site and all our computers would blow up!
People should help themselves more instead of depending on others. And I'm not talking about the sick or elderly.
When I went through Hugo in the Virgin islands in 1989, things took time, but we were on an island. Because of that, most people REALLY prepare for storms down there.
Just curious Ali, how many hurricanes have you evacuated for? Also were you ever NOT ABLE to flee any of them that you've experienced? Hollis too, chime in if you want, I know you're down there too. What is the number 1 issue why people stay home for these things when they have plenty of advance warning?
People should help themselves more instead of depending on others. And I'm not talking about the sick or elderly.
Granny, when our house got hit, the first person to help us was our neighbor next door whos house wasn't hit, and he was a crack addict. I think the problem is that most of the people in peril now don't have a neighbor next door because they heeded the warning and fled. I feel sorry for those who don't have neighbors that will help. I don't know, maybe I'm in perfect America or something but it seems that around here in Michigan people always help each other in time of extreme need and I think this situation applies.
If someone came to my house for help, I certainly wouldn't ask them who they voted for first. I think I'd access what they need and do what I can to get them help, either provide it or get it.
1 Attachment(s) Brad, not only neighbors help but so do families help each other.
Something that really gets to me that people live in these areas,,,,,,coastlines, in Ca where all those mudslides happen,,,places like that..,,,get destroyed and they will go right back and build in the same place.
I don't think they should try to rebuild N O,,,the same thing can happen again and it probably will.
Then my homeowners insurance goes up to help them,,,,,,,,,,,,,
As for the politics,,,yes, that will enter,,,,,,one person already said it was God,,,directed the hurricane there to get even with Haley Barber. how stupid is that. It is no one's fault.
Things happen! That's the way it is and always will be.
Just curious Ali, how many hurricanes have you evacuated for? Also were you ever NOT ABLE to flee any of them that you've experienced? Hollis too, chime in if you want, I know you're down there too. What is the number 1 issue why people stay home for these things when they have plenty of advance warning?
Brad, most of these hurricanes are easily survivable. I have plenty of friends who stayed home for hurricane Andrew, which was a cat. 5 hurricane, and even though they saw there roofs blow off while in the house no one was hurt.
New Orleans is suffering from flooding that normal cities would never experience. After hurrican Camile New Orleans had a lot of damage, but the levy managed to hold up and it was a cat. 3 hurricane. Katrina was a strong cat. 4.
No one dies from the winds directly, they get killed by flying debris and falling trees and poles. Katrina was a survivable hurricane in almost anyother city. It didn't help that the levy used to prevent the entire city from flooding was made out of dirt and not concrete.
Quinn, as a young american citizen you shouldn't worry about being drafted, you should volunteer like the many of us since Vietnam have. I was in the service under Bush 1 and Clinton and I can assure you that although they are commander in chief, it really isn't that political when it comes to getting a job done.
I have no idea how people can mix politics in with this storm. I'm sick of people looking for scapegoats. People, this was a hurricane. We have them every year and we have advance warning. Most of the people that live in these areas know what a hurricane is and what it does and can do.
For the few that don't I feel very sorry for them, but I'm pretty sure that there were some "tough" people that are now reconsidering their actions.
Brad, I support the military, but I don't think what Bush is doing is the right thing. They should not be over in Iraq dying every day, and many of these guys are my age!
And I agree with you on the hurricane. It's not uncommon down in the Gulf so it is their own fault they do not take this seriously. If I was down there, I'd be moving too!
Brad, most of these hurricanes are easily survivable.
Now, my next question is with your answer in mind. If you ride one out and get the worst part because the huricane ended up not being one in the "most" catagory. Do you blame the government or do you know going in that you are at your own peril. I'm sure you know individuals personally that have sufferred severely by staying home in Andrew, do you feel like they got a raw deal or do you think they made an individual free choice and now have to do what they have to do.
The point is in New Orleans that the mayor and other government personell gave stern warnings ahead of time. Storm surge was discussed and the capacity of the Levy/dam issue was also discussed prior to the tragedy.
You know, I have no problem with freedom of choice but when they come out screaming that no one is doing anything for them I really have some reservations. Doesn't apply to every situation, but my guess is that a large percentage used your statement "most are easily survivable" and gave total disregard for the governments warning.
I have to say that hurricane reporting and forecasting is amazing in this country and my guess is that you've seen the progress in this area of science being that you live it every year. In addition, with communication of today, it is hard to understand why people would complain when they decide to rough it out. Seems to me that the government (NOAA) did it's job ahead of time and a lot just cared not to listen or just didn't care at that moment.
This thread is not about helping our fellowman or woman. The task at hand to monumental for any individual, group, chararity, church of even local municipality to deal with. Theis is onlyone enitity that can deal with this natural disaster and that is the Federal Government! Period end of story.
There are untold millions of stories of people of all ilk rich and poor, black, white, hispanic and asian, natural born citizen and immigrates who are helping there fellow man.
They are sharing what little food they have and there water. They are rescuing people from homes. There herorism is beyond reproach. Except for a small band of looters, thugs and malcontents the vast, vast majority of people are oiutstanding caring human being.
As I had said many times I can not stand President Bush but he is the president. This is one time when we must be thankful for the beaucrats in Washington, LOuisana, Mississippi & Alabama. They will get the relief to where it belong. That is there job not the politicans. The politican only have to give the consent and walk amoung the ruins for photo-ops. The time to find fault with our government is not now. Relief is in order wheater they are citizens or not Granny. No one should sugger and help should not take any longer than necessary.
I will reserve my comment of relief assistance, and emergency preparedness till alater date. I do have some knowlege in planning and unfortunitly implementing such a plan. Let us pray for the victim and their families, even the immigrant and illeagal one Granny.
Mitch
Mitch,,,,I didn't say not to help these people,,,,,,,,,,
I said "I think all foreign aid and immigration should be stopped until new laws could be written."
I think most of the foreign aid that we give stops in the hands of people that don't need it and very little gets to the people. In other words,,,it's wasted on scoundrels. Laws should be changed so that someone follow up and make sure the money is spent properly.
Immigration---should be changed---big time!
Mitch,
I agree with you!!
Sandy
Theis is onlyone enitity that can deal with this natural disaster and that is the Federal Government! Period end of story.
Seems like NYPD did a good job with 9/11
I think a lot of the local folks will do a lot more than the feds ever will.
When my house got blown down there was talk about FEMA and all that but we just used our trucks and trailers, burned the wood, had homeowners insurance, hired a builder to rebuild. Never got a loan, lived with family, etc......, I don't think anyone in my neighbor hood got federal assistance. Maybe the township did but I don't know about that and it would have only been money. Anyone can write a check.
I don't think I'm the only one that does it this way. I think this has much less to do with the Federal Government that you think Mitch. I would put my faith in family, friends, neighbors, local govt and maybe even the national guard (thats state not fed).
If I hear Bush say " it's going to be hard work" one more time, I swear I'll go postal.
They ask everyone to give to a charity of their choice....sorry. between gas prices raising , my electric bill doubling and my wind storm insurance out the roof, I'm tapped out.
If President Bush can spend the billions of dollars he already has for Iraq for a war that was needed, he better find the billions of dollars to put our country back together.
Go ahead and yell at me...........but I'm pissed at George W.
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About help getting there,,,,,it takes time,,,,,,there were live power lines, trees down, roads underwater, gas leaks,,,,,,,,,,there is a lot to do before the workers can get to the people.
Some of these people could have left the area,,,,,they had plenty of warnings,,,,,
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I think Alli is talking about her area in the Keys. There was never a hurricane warning there nor evactuation notices because the storm made an unexpected southern turn as it was approaching land. I think the Floridians that are in need are pretty much screwed because as bad as some of South Florida got hit it still is nothing compared to the complete anialation of New Orleans.
What's worse is that FEMA hasn't declared South Florida a disaster area and there preventing individuals from getting Federal Aid. I think this is a big mistakes since I know a lady in Homestead who lost her whole house.
I think the Feds are responding to the best of their ability in Lousiana and Alabama, it's not an overnight occurance to mobilize 10,000 national guard troups and gather all the water, bedding, and food to start shipping.
It's just sad that the South Floridians that did loose everything (and there are pleny of them) are being forgotten.
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i understand your frustration, we feel the same way we got people stuck it attics and they wait 3 days to respond. i know things are slow but come on.
day at a time i guess
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No, I don't been the Keys, nor am I referring to Florida. I'm talking about the gulf states. I know things take time, but we're talking about going on four days with no fresh water.
When I went through Hugo in the Virgin islands in 1989, things took time, but we were on an island. Because of that, most people REALLY prepare for storms down there.
The reporting out of New Orleans this morning is horrific. Gangs are now armed with guns looted out of stores, they can't move the people out of the superdome due to gun shots.
I'm just frustrated for these people.
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I just heard that there are "GOOD" people waiting with boats to go in and rescue people but can't because they are being shot at. Army heliocopters being shot at. Shooting in the Superdome.
How do they expect anything to get done?
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What scares me the most for these people is that they have no homes or jobs and probably won't even be allowed back into the city for a month or two. Not to mention the process of getting insurance adjusters to look at the houses (when they can get to them) and make payments. Most of the homeowners that lost houses still have mortgages, so are the banks going to do the proper thing and suspend payments or are they going to be @$$holes and start foreclosing?
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Our governent needs to quit spending money on all these countries and wars and spend it on us! WE pay for their help, and they don't listen! I am so anti-Bush now! He can kiss my butt if he wants to draft me!
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No, I don't been the Keys, nor am I referring to Florida. I'm talking about the gulf states. I know things take time, but we're talking about going on four days with no fresh water.
When I went through Hugo in the Virgin islands in 1989, things took time, but we were on an island. Because of that, most people REALLY prepare for storms down there.
I hear ya, Alli. And I thank you for reminding us that the suffering and hardship is all along the gulf coast, and we all need to try and do what we can for all of the victims of this terrible storm. I've heard that the storm surge around Gulfport/Pass Christian was 30 feet in places. I've heard of houses that made it through Camille in '69 that were completely wiped out by Katrina. Let us know of specific ways that we can help. Many of the cities up here are having telethons for disaster aid and people are giving. A number of my friends are going through red cross training so that they can volunteer as relief workers. You have a community of support here. Let us know what you need. Take care,
MK
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Even Jerry Lewis and the Muscular Dystrophy Association are giving a hand in the collection process. The MDA is donating $1 million dollars of it's own proceeds to the relief efforts.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...n ation312_xml
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Our governent needs to quit spending money on all these countries and wars and spend it on us! WE pay for their help, and they don't listen! I am so anti-Bush now! He can kiss my butt if he wants to draft me!
This is not all Bush,,,,,,,it's been going on forever. I really wish they would stop ALL and immigration until new laws could be written.
If we had all our tax money and what we have donated over the years, we would be millionaires, over and over,,,,,,,,,
I also think it would be a good idea to evacuate Washington DC, and start all over.
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The mayor of New Orleans ordered the evacuation of the city at least 1 full day prior to this storm hitting. In addition, hurricane warnings were posted and people new it was coming.
I know there are some that had "significant" issues with evacuating their homes, but, how many people DO NOT heed these warnings ahead of time?
When the government warns people and they stay put for a hurricane party or to protect their "property" or they say "my house has been here for 200 years, it will survive again", I have little sympathy for them. I do, however, have faith that their will to survive is strong and they will do the best they can with what they have.
A lot of the people that I see in New Orleans apparently did not heed the warnings of their own local government and now they want the police, feds, coast guards to save their butts. I see cars floating in New Orleans, these should have hauled people out of town last Saturday. I see plenty of people walking and jumping up and down on roofs. These were not sick and elderly, a lot were strong and walking. I think had they gone to the superdome when they were told too, a lot of this need for the basics would be done.
I live in Michigan and we don't have hurricanes, but we do have floods and tornados. When a tornado is around we get about a five minute warning. We don't have partys, we take shelter. We also have floods. I live near to a river and almost every year it floods in the same place and you see people using boats to get to their houses everyyear like clockwork. They know this problem well ahead why they stay I do not know.
Now, if a lot of people who were able to evacuate, evacuated prior to the storm, the feds, state and locals would have a much easier time of evacuating and helping those who did have good reasons not to leave.
I lost my home in a windstorm 7 years ago. In five minutes of wind all of my cars were wrecked and my house was wrecked. We had very little if any warning for this storm yet we survived. We took shelter and then got out. It took a year for us to rebuild. We moved back in with mom and dad for an entire year. It wasn't a lot of fun but we had a lot of neighbors, co-workers, and family that helped.
There are a lot of resources that are available. Many of us are resiliant people in America. Blaming the government, at any level, is the wrong thing to do in this situation. Sometimes we need to rely on our own survival skills, our familys, and neighbors. Thats what America is about. We've had many challenges before, we'll overcome this one.
I know that the "don't head the warnings" message doesn't sound good right now but I watched a lot of the television programs and my buddy "sheppard smith" on fox was talking about the people partying in the french quarter. Now tell me, if you've got energy to party on the day before the storm don't you thing you might have the energy to make your way to superdome or another shelter?
Those of you blaming the government for acting slowly need to go back to Saturday when the mayor of New Orleans told everyone to get out. And if you claim the superdome, the mayor told them that even that was a "last resort".
I just cannot fathom why people would not heed the warnings that this storm brought forth.
Property can be replaced, people can't. Property takes time and we all know that. When you live in these areas you should know your climate. Why people shack up in hurricanes I have no clue. A lot are plain NUTS.
As for the government, I've worked for them for all of my adult life, in the police and in the air force. Those that did not heed the warnings and could have now put the government worker at peril. Pray for the cop in New Orleans that was shot in the head by the looter!
This whole mess makes me sick. I can assure you that locally those cops are humping to get things done there but they are under the same duress as those in need. Remember too that the cops have familys and homes in the area as well. Things aren't good but you must have faith that our resiliance will get us through.
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Our governent needs to quit spending money on all these countries and wars and spend it on us! WE pay for their help, and they don't listen! I am so anti-Bush now! He can kiss my butt if he wants to draft me!
Quinn, as a young american citizen you shouldn't worry about being drafted, you should volunteer like the many of us since Vietnam have. I was in the service under Bush 1 and Clinton and I can assure you that although they are commander in chief, it really isn't that political when it comes to getting a job done.
I have no idea how people can mix politics in with this storm. I'm sick of people looking for scapegoats. People, this was a hurricane. We have them every year and we have advance warning. Most of the people that live in these areas know what a hurricane is and what it does and can do.
For the few that don't I feel very sorry for them, but I'm pretty sure that there were some "tough" people that are now reconsidering their actions.
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Amen, Brother Brad!
I won't say what I think should be done to the looters and shooters. This site and all our computers would blow up!
People should help themselves more instead of depending on others. And I'm not talking about the sick or elderly.
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When I went through Hugo in the Virgin islands in 1989, things took time, but we were on an island. Because of that, most people REALLY prepare for storms down there.
Just curious Ali, how many hurricanes have you evacuated for? Also were you ever NOT ABLE to flee any of them that you've experienced? Hollis too, chime in if you want, I know you're down there too. What is the number 1 issue why people stay home for these things when they have plenty of advance warning?
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People should help themselves more instead of depending on others. And I'm not talking about the sick or elderly.
Granny, when our house got hit, the first person to help us was our neighbor next door whos house wasn't hit, and he was a crack addict. I think the problem is that most of the people in peril now don't have a neighbor next door because they heeded the warning and fled. I feel sorry for those who don't have neighbors that will help. I don't know, maybe I'm in perfect America or something but it seems that around here in Michigan people always help each other in time of extreme need and I think this situation applies.
If someone came to my house for help, I certainly wouldn't ask them who they voted for first. I think I'd access what they need and do what I can to get them help, either provide it or get it.
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1 Attachment(s) Brad, not only neighbors help but so do families help each other.
Something that really gets to me that people live in these areas,,,,,,coastlines, in Ca where all those mudslides happen,,,places like that..,,,get destroyed and they will go right back and build in the same place.
I don't think they should try to rebuild N O,,,the same thing can happen again and it probably will.
Then my homeowners insurance goes up to help them,,,,,,,,,,,,,
As for the politics,,,yes, that will enter,,,,,,one person already said it was God,,,directed the hurricane there to get even with Haley Barber. how stupid is that. It is no one's fault.
Things happen! That's the way it is and always will be.
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Just curious Ali, how many hurricanes have you evacuated for? Also were you ever NOT ABLE to flee any of them that you've experienced? Hollis too, chime in if you want, I know you're down there too. What is the number 1 issue why people stay home for these things when they have plenty of advance warning?
Brad, most of these hurricanes are easily survivable. I have plenty of friends who stayed home for hurricane Andrew, which was a cat. 5 hurricane, and even though they saw there roofs blow off while in the house no one was hurt.
New Orleans is suffering from flooding that normal cities would never experience. After hurrican Camile New Orleans had a lot of damage, but the levy managed to hold up and it was a cat. 3 hurricane. Katrina was a strong cat. 4.
No one dies from the winds directly, they get killed by flying debris and falling trees and poles. Katrina was a survivable hurricane in almost anyother city. It didn't help that the levy used to prevent the entire city from flooding was made out of dirt and not concrete.
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Quinn, as a young american citizen you shouldn't worry about being drafted, you should volunteer like the many of us since Vietnam have. I was in the service under Bush 1 and Clinton and I can assure you that although they are commander in chief, it really isn't that political when it comes to getting a job done.
I have no idea how people can mix politics in with this storm. I'm sick of people looking for scapegoats. People, this was a hurricane. We have them every year and we have advance warning. Most of the people that live in these areas know what a hurricane is and what it does and can do.
For the few that don't I feel very sorry for them, but I'm pretty sure that there were some "tough" people that are now reconsidering their actions.
Brad, I support the military, but I don't think what Bush is doing is the right thing. They should not be over in Iraq dying every day, and many of these guys are my age!
And I agree with you on the hurricane. It's not uncommon down in the Gulf so it is their own fault they do not take this seriously. If I was down there, I'd be moving too!
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Brad, most of these hurricanes are easily survivable.
Now, my next question is with your answer in mind. If you ride one out and get the worst part because the huricane ended up not being one in the "most" catagory. Do you blame the government or do you know going in that you are at your own peril. I'm sure you know individuals personally that have sufferred severely by staying home in Andrew, do you feel like they got a raw deal or do you think they made an individual free choice and now have to do what they have to do.
The point is in New Orleans that the mayor and other government personell gave stern warnings ahead of time. Storm surge was discussed and the capacity of the Levy/dam issue was also discussed prior to the tragedy.
You know, I have no problem with freedom of choice but when they come out screaming that no one is doing anything for them I really have some reservations. Doesn't apply to every situation, but my guess is that a large percentage used your statement "most are easily survivable" and gave total disregard for the governments warning.
I have to say that hurricane reporting and forecasting is amazing in this country and my guess is that you've seen the progress in this area of science being that you live it every year. In addition, with communication of today, it is hard to understand why people would complain when they decide to rough it out. Seems to me that the government (NOAA) did it's job ahead of time and a lot just cared not to listen or just didn't care at that moment.
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This thread is not about helping our fellowman or woman. The task at hand to monumental for any individual, group, chararity, church of even local municipality to deal with. Theis is onlyone enitity that can deal with this natural disaster and that is the Federal Government! Period end of story.
There are untold millions of stories of people of all ilk rich and poor, black, white, hispanic and asian, natural born citizen and immigrates who are helping there fellow man.
They are sharing what little food they have and there water. They are rescuing people from homes. There herorism is beyond reproach. Except for a small band of looters, thugs and malcontents the vast, vast majority of people are oiutstanding caring human being.
As I had said many times I can not stand President Bush but he is the president. This is one time when we must be thankful for the beaucrats in Washington, LOuisana, Mississippi & Alabama. They will get the relief to where it belong. That is there job not the politicans. The politican only have to give the consent and walk amoung the ruins for photo-ops. The time to find fault with our government is not now. Relief is in order wheater they are citizens or not Granny. No one should sugger and help should not take any longer than necessary.
I will reserve my comment of relief assistance, and emergency preparedness till alater date. I do have some knowlege in planning and unfortunitly implementing such a plan. Let us pray for the victim and their families, even the immigrant and illeagal one Granny.
Mitch
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Mitch,,,,I didn't say not to help these people,,,,,,,,,,
I said "I think all foreign aid and immigration should be stopped until new laws could be written."
I think most of the foreign aid that we give stops in the hands of people that don't need it and very little gets to the people. In other words,,,it's wasted on scoundrels. Laws should be changed so that someone follow up and make sure the money is spent properly.
Immigration---should be changed---big time!
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Mitch,
I agree with you!!
Sandy
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Theis is onlyone enitity that can deal with this natural disaster and that is the Federal Government! Period end of story.
Seems like NYPD did a good job with 9/11
I think a lot of the local folks will do a lot more than the feds ever will.
When my house got blown down there was talk about FEMA and all that but we just used our trucks and trailers, burned the wood, had homeowners insurance, hired a builder to rebuild. Never got a loan, lived with family, etc......, I don't think anyone in my neighbor hood got federal assistance. Maybe the township did but I don't know about that and it would have only been money. Anyone can write a check.
I don't think I'm the only one that does it this way. I think this has much less to do with the Federal Government that you think Mitch. I would put my faith in family, friends, neighbors, local govt and maybe even the national guard (thats state not fed).
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