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http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108848
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It's a very good review as well.
Pity that there's definetely no DTS track, but it's no big loss (to me anyway).
Interesting,
I'd only be interested in changing my R4 for the R1 if the audio track was greatly improved upon, but the chap reviewing uses the words 'absolutely phenomenal' to describe the sound and Im having a real problem buying into that.
On the flip side, the review seems highly disapointed with the NTSC transfer. Personally I consider the PAL transfers of all 3 films to be quite brilliant given the age.
Looks like I'll wait for more reviews to come rolling in.
Another review popped up today @ DVDFile (http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_5/backtothefuture.html)
Id agree with this..
Most disappointing is the fact that each mix is quite front heavy. The majority of the score and the effects are direct to the front three channels, with only minimal bleed to the rears.
..even judging by the DTS track which is not on R1.
Thought bttf 1 had a terrific mix.
Originally posted by Panavision
Thought bttf 1 had a terrific mix.
Yes it was the best, 2 scenes in particular..
When the DeLorean flame shoots through their legs.
The helicopter back in 1985 near the end and sound of the DeLorean 'crashing' into the rears .."Crazy drunk drivers"
Parts 2 and 3 though..I thought they would be better.
The mixes on parts 2 and 3 were much more immersive than the 1st. Particularly the train in Back To The Future part 3.
Though there were elements in the original which were very good such as the boom when the Delorean disappears through time.
I thought Part 2 would be better.
does the R1 BTTF1 have a different commentay to the R2/R4 version ?
Good point, but again the fact I already own thr R4 which is PAL and has DTS is still more of a selling point for me.
It's the movies I've loved for the last 17 years and I've currently got the best presentation of those movies available. Am I really that concerned about a couple of commentaries I'd only listen to once? Heck I haven't listened to the comentary on the R4 yet!
well, seeing as i dont have any BTTF discs yet, i'd rather go for the R1. Picture quality difference wont be drastic, and on a decent set-up hard to spot.
DTS doesn't really concern me, and i'm sure a 5.1 will do the trick superbly. I love these films too. But i dont want to go for R4 after waiting all this time, and going for an overall inferior disc set.
WE'll know which region is better with comparrison reviews of R1 to R4, but till then, there's nothing in the reviews of the R1 that suggest it's not worth buying. It seems to me to have everything the R4 has, sans DTS, but loads of extra features in place. Something i'm very interested in for this trilogy.
It's not that i was putting it off but i never got round to buying the R4 and i think i'm glad i didn't.
I'm more of a movie/presentation kinda guy but the addedextras on the R1 do look quite good. i also happen to think the package as a whole looks better.
As even 'Bob Gale' commented on the BTTF website he couldn't tell much difference between the DTS and DD track, so i'm not too bothered about that. it's not like it was originally released in DTS so i don't think it's any great shakes it's been dropped.
That review has certainly whetted my apetite for these films though. been a long time since i seen them and they are fantastic at what they do. Very clever film making.
I think the fact that the R4 is PAL is the biggest plus for me, NTSC/PAL usually doesn't bother me for new films, but old favs and classics like these I really do want the best Image quality, yes the difference is small, but it's huge for me in this case. For no other reason than I've wanted these on DVD for 5 years in the best quality I could get, extras or no extras.
DTS or Dolby Digital, PAL or NTSC, R4/R2 or R1?
I'm not really that bothered (though I think I'll opt for R1). Just thank God that after a long wait this is finally coming out on DVD!
:)
It came out months ago. ;)
Originally posted by The Karate Kid
It came out months ago. ;)
The TRAILER came out months ago, the full on release is this december! :D
lol
so does anyone know if the commentary is different ?
Originally posted by clerk37
The TRAILER came out months ago, the full on release is this december! :D
No the Definitive presentation of all three films in PAL with DTS came out months ago.:smokin:
Well, I'll be getting the R1 when it comes out, and I'll probably sell my R4 or give it to someone as a Christmas gift (as it's dual encoded). The biggest selling point of the R1 for me is that it's NTSC, hence I can see and hear the movie at the correct speed. The improved menus, added extras and better packaging are simply bonuses. I know many of you don't share my enthusiasm for the pros of NTSC, so don't bother reminding me of the cons.
Has anyone considered the point that perhaps the R1 Back to the furture 1 film transfer isnt as good as the transfers for the 2nd and 3rd movies because the first movie is actually older by about 4 years than the latter two?
Perhaps the grain is to do with the aging filmstock, and not a poor DVD transfer?
Do R2/R4 versions suffer from this too? Or do R2/R4 owners have selective vision where this point is concerned? :norty:
Originally posted by Idle Child
Do R2/R4 versions suffer from this too? Or do R2/R4 owners have selective vision where this point is concerned? :norty:
Considering nobody who owns the R4 has been able to view the R1 yet your point makes no sense.
All I can do is requote what I've already writen which is Personally I consider the PAL transfers of all 3 films to be quite brilliant given the age.
Michaelsdvd.com.au describe BTTF1 PAL transfer as follows - "This DVD has a superb transfer that is very pleasant to watch (and to review!").
DVDTIMES describe it as follows - "Presented in anamorphic widescreen 1.85:1, the transfer to Back To The Future is excellent, rendering the film fresh and sharply detailed, and easily concealing the film's age of over seventeen years old. Edge enhancement and grain are kept to a bare minimum and tones are fully-realised".
That conflicts with the opinions being expressed about the NTSC transfers.
It could well be that the R1 reviewers are far stricter than me (and michaelsdvd - possibly the strictest dvd review site on the web yet they gave the transfer 5/5, & dvdtimes), or it could be that the extra PAL resolution makes a noticable difference in this case. Maybe the extra material on the R1 is taking up more space. Who knows ?.
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Considering nobody who owns the R4 has been able to view the R1 yet your point makes no sense.
i used the wrong tense there. I should have used the future tense for when the dvd transfers are directly compared. My point still stands though.
Originally posted by SithLordSi
Well, I'll be getting the R1 when it comes out, and I'll probably sell my R4 or give it to someone as a Christmas gift (as it's dual encoded). The biggest selling point of the R1 for me is that it's NTSC, hence I can see and hear the movie at the correct speed. The improved menus, added extras and better packaging are simply bonuses. I know many of you don't share my enthusiasm for the pros of NTSC, so don't bother reminding me of the cons.
oops
Originally posted by SithLordSi
The biggest selling point of the R1 for me is that it's NTSC, hence I can see and hear the movie at the correct speed.
Yeah I know what you mean. That one eighth of a semi-tone speedup really gets to me too
:D
There's always one. :)
P.S. It's not a matter of principal for me. I don't claim to have perfect pitch (not quite anyway), but I find PAL speedup to be extremely obvious.
Get the latest version of WinDVD, PAL resolution without the speed up and associated pitch change:clap:.
ps: It never actually bothered me anyway;).
a) I have an iMac
b) Why would I want to view movies on a computer screen in stereo?
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
(and michaelsdvd - possibly the strictest dvd review site on the web yet they gave the transfer 5/5, & dvdtimes), or it could be that the extra PAL resolution makes a noticable difference in this case. Maybe the extra material on the R1 is taking up more space. Who knows ?.
DVDFile are notoriously critical of transfers in almostevery review they do. When a few more reviews of R1 are up it will be a bit of a better comparison. I'll be interested to hear from those forum members getting both versions what their opinion is (the ones that will be able to watch in native PAL and native NTSC setups, rather than an NTSC->PAL conversion).
It's a good point though that the 'extra' extras may impact on the transfer storage space utilised.
(BTW, for those that can't wait for the R1 (and don't have the R4), this month's Widescreen magazine has a cover-diskwith a making of, deleted scenes and the original trailer ;) ).
The original teaser trailer rocks:rocker:
One of those specially filmed trailers with footage not in the film.
Originally posted by SithLordSi
a) I have an iMac
b) Why would I want to view movies on a computer screen in stereo? Who says that PC==monitor/stereo;).
Point taken.
;)
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It's a very good review as well.
Pity that there's definetely no DTS track, but it's no big loss (to me anyway).
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Interesting,
I'd only be interested in changing my R4 for the R1 if the audio track was greatly improved upon, but the chap reviewing uses the words 'absolutely phenomenal' to describe the sound and Im having a real problem buying into that.
On the flip side, the review seems highly disapointed with the NTSC transfer. Personally I consider the PAL transfers of all 3 films to be quite brilliant given the age.
Looks like I'll wait for more reviews to come rolling in.
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Another review popped up today @ DVDFile (http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_5/backtothefuture.html)
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Id agree with this..
Most disappointing is the fact that each mix is quite front heavy. The majority of the score and the effects are direct to the front three channels, with only minimal bleed to the rears.
..even judging by the DTS track which is not on R1.
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Thought bttf 1 had a terrific mix.
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Originally posted by Panavision
Thought bttf 1 had a terrific mix.
Yes it was the best, 2 scenes in particular..
When the DeLorean flame shoots through their legs.
The helicopter back in 1985 near the end and sound of the DeLorean 'crashing' into the rears .."Crazy drunk drivers"
Parts 2 and 3 though..I thought they would be better.
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The mixes on parts 2 and 3 were much more immersive than the 1st. Particularly the train in Back To The Future part 3.
Though there were elements in the original which were very good such as the boom when the Delorean disappears through time.
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I thought Part 2 would be better.
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does the R1 BTTF1 have a different commentay to the R2/R4 version ?
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Good point, but again the fact I already own thr R4 which is PAL and has DTS is still more of a selling point for me.
It's the movies I've loved for the last 17 years and I've currently got the best presentation of those movies available. Am I really that concerned about a couple of commentaries I'd only listen to once? Heck I haven't listened to the comentary on the R4 yet!
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well, seeing as i dont have any BTTF discs yet, i'd rather go for the R1. Picture quality difference wont be drastic, and on a decent set-up hard to spot.
DTS doesn't really concern me, and i'm sure a 5.1 will do the trick superbly. I love these films too. But i dont want to go for R4 after waiting all this time, and going for an overall inferior disc set.
WE'll know which region is better with comparrison reviews of R1 to R4, but till then, there's nothing in the reviews of the R1 that suggest it's not worth buying. It seems to me to have everything the R4 has, sans DTS, but loads of extra features in place. Something i'm very interested in for this trilogy.
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It's not that i was putting it off but i never got round to buying the R4 and i think i'm glad i didn't.
I'm more of a movie/presentation kinda guy but the addedextras on the R1 do look quite good. i also happen to think the package as a whole looks better.
As even 'Bob Gale' commented on the BTTF website he couldn't tell much difference between the DTS and DD track, so i'm not too bothered about that. it's not like it was originally released in DTS so i don't think it's any great shakes it's been dropped.
That review has certainly whetted my apetite for these films though. been a long time since i seen them and they are fantastic at what they do. Very clever film making.
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I think the fact that the R4 is PAL is the biggest plus for me, NTSC/PAL usually doesn't bother me for new films, but old favs and classics like these I really do want the best Image quality, yes the difference is small, but it's huge for me in this case. For no other reason than I've wanted these on DVD for 5 years in the best quality I could get, extras or no extras.
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DTS or Dolby Digital, PAL or NTSC, R4/R2 or R1?
I'm not really that bothered (though I think I'll opt for R1). Just thank God that after a long wait this is finally coming out on DVD!
:)
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It came out months ago. ;)
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Originally posted by The Karate Kid
It came out months ago. ;)
The TRAILER came out months ago, the full on release is this december! :D
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lol
so does anyone know if the commentary is different ?
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Originally posted by clerk37
The TRAILER came out months ago, the full on release is this december! :D
No the Definitive presentation of all three films in PAL with DTS came out months ago.:smokin:
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Well, I'll be getting the R1 when it comes out, and I'll probably sell my R4 or give it to someone as a Christmas gift (as it's dual encoded). The biggest selling point of the R1 for me is that it's NTSC, hence I can see and hear the movie at the correct speed. The improved menus, added extras and better packaging are simply bonuses. I know many of you don't share my enthusiasm for the pros of NTSC, so don't bother reminding me of the cons.
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Has anyone considered the point that perhaps the R1 Back to the furture 1 film transfer isnt as good as the transfers for the 2nd and 3rd movies because the first movie is actually older by about 4 years than the latter two?
Perhaps the grain is to do with the aging filmstock, and not a poor DVD transfer?
Do R2/R4 versions suffer from this too? Or do R2/R4 owners have selective vision where this point is concerned? :norty:
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Originally posted by Idle Child
Do R2/R4 versions suffer from this too? Or do R2/R4 owners have selective vision where this point is concerned? :norty:
Considering nobody who owns the R4 has been able to view the R1 yet your point makes no sense.
All I can do is requote what I've already writen which is Personally I consider the PAL transfers of all 3 films to be quite brilliant given the age.
Michaelsdvd.com.au describe BTTF1 PAL transfer as follows - "This DVD has a superb transfer that is very pleasant to watch (and to review!").
DVDTIMES describe it as follows - "Presented in anamorphic widescreen 1.85:1, the transfer to Back To The Future is excellent, rendering the film fresh and sharply detailed, and easily concealing the film's age of over seventeen years old. Edge enhancement and grain are kept to a bare minimum and tones are fully-realised".
That conflicts with the opinions being expressed about the NTSC transfers.
It could well be that the R1 reviewers are far stricter than me (and michaelsdvd - possibly the strictest dvd review site on the web yet they gave the transfer 5/5, & dvdtimes), or it could be that the extra PAL resolution makes a noticable difference in this case. Maybe the extra material on the R1 is taking up more space. Who knows ?.
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Considering nobody who owns the R4 has been able to view the R1 yet your point makes no sense.
i used the wrong tense there. I should have used the future tense for when the dvd transfers are directly compared. My point still stands though.
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Originally posted by SithLordSi
Well, I'll be getting the R1 when it comes out, and I'll probably sell my R4 or give it to someone as a Christmas gift (as it's dual encoded). The biggest selling point of the R1 for me is that it's NTSC, hence I can see and hear the movie at the correct speed. The improved menus, added extras and better packaging are simply bonuses. I know many of you don't share my enthusiasm for the pros of NTSC, so don't bother reminding me of the cons.
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oops
Originally posted by SithLordSi
The biggest selling point of the R1 for me is that it's NTSC, hence I can see and hear the movie at the correct speed.
Yeah I know what you mean. That one eighth of a semi-tone speedup really gets to me too
:D
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There's always one. :)
P.S. It's not a matter of principal for me. I don't claim to have perfect pitch (not quite anyway), but I find PAL speedup to be extremely obvious.
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Get the latest version of WinDVD, PAL resolution without the speed up and associated pitch change:clap:.
ps: It never actually bothered me anyway;).
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a) I have an iMac
b) Why would I want to view movies on a computer screen in stereo?
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
(and michaelsdvd - possibly the strictest dvd review site on the web yet they gave the transfer 5/5, & dvdtimes), or it could be that the extra PAL resolution makes a noticable difference in this case. Maybe the extra material on the R1 is taking up more space. Who knows ?.
DVDFile are notoriously critical of transfers in almostevery review they do. When a few more reviews of R1 are up it will be a bit of a better comparison. I'll be interested to hear from those forum members getting both versions what their opinion is (the ones that will be able to watch in native PAL and native NTSC setups, rather than an NTSC->PAL conversion).
It's a good point though that the 'extra' extras may impact on the transfer storage space utilised.
(BTW, for those that can't wait for the R1 (and don't have the R4), this month's Widescreen magazine has a cover-diskwith a making of, deleted scenes and the original trailer ;) ).
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The original teaser trailer rocks:rocker:
One of those specially filmed trailers with footage not in the film.
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Originally posted by SithLordSi
a) I have an iMac
b) Why would I want to view movies on a computer screen in stereo? Who says that PC==monitor/stereo;).
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Point taken.
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