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Although I own both DVD's, in your opinions which between the both of them, is the best DVD for home theatre. I am lost at this decsion. Both have the best picture and audio I have ever whitnessed on a disc, but Ep II has the slight advantage of Digital to Digital transfer.
If you had to recommed to someone the ultimate disc between the two above movies, which would you recommend and why, not forgetting that this was for testing a home theatre.
LOTR Extended. I loved the 5.1 mix on the original 2 disc release but the DTS sound on the extended is slightly better. AOTC is also good if a little bass heavy. ;)
A BIT bass heavy you say?!
I thought it was completely over the top myself.
Have spent ages gettting the setup correct , only for this film to knock it all out of sync.
Or maybe everthing in the room was supposed to shake during the film eh. :norty:
Spoony.
Originally posted by spoonman2
A BIT bass heavy you say?!
I thought it was completely over the top myself.
Have spent ages gettting the setup correct , only for this film to knock it all out of sync.
Or maybe everthing in the room was supposed to shake during the film eh. :norty:
Spoony. Hence the winky smiley, Spoony. :) I too had to fiddle with the sub settings, but let's be honest ....... we like fiddling with our AV gear don't we?:norty:
Hence the :norty: too matey.
I like fiddling with my sub<ooh err>
But i dont like having to pick up picture frames from the floor, with the broken glasses too.
:lol:
I saw this at the cinema, and the bass was utter rubbish.
Spoony.
the first 5 mins of LOTRs is incredible especially the blast wave from sauron:shocker:
There's obviously not that much in it, so I'd go for the best film: Attack Of... no, hang on...
Originally posted by nemesisalive
but Ep II has the slight advantage of Digital to Digital transfer
I don't have the best barometer in measuring how great these two films look on a HC system as i've only got a lowly 21" TV. But even on that (and a Tosh 32" W/S) i can't help but think that AOTC's digital origins shows up it's bluescreen flaws.
God knows what it looks like on a projector but there are too many scenes where the characters really stand out as being seperate from the background.
You know when you watch old movies or tv shows and the blue screen work is so blatently obvious that it's funny? i can't help think that we'll look back on AOTC in few years and do the same.
It's a fantastically sharp and clear print but i'm not sure if digital filming is the best way to go if you rely so heavily on blue/green screen work.
I've watched them both recently on my projector and I would have to say LOTR, as people have said, the characters in a few scenes in Star wars don't quite sit right with the background.
Only problem I have with LOTR is that after watching the documentaries on the disc I keep focusing on the forced perspective shots and he thinking, he's not really there, he's stood over in the corner!
EPII is dire - especially on a projector. It really shows up the bad CGI and you can see the matt outlines of the blue screen really easily.
Sound is OK, but this is nothing close to demo quality IMHO (and a ***** film to boot)
LOTR is pretty stunning, and both visual and sound are close to reference quality.
Agreed, AOTC on a projector really shows up the picture quality. Yoda looks like he has been cut out of a magazine and pasted onto the film by hand. Its awful. I don`t remember it being so bad at the cinema though.
Personally, I don`t like using heavily digitally enhanced films as reference material, they just don`t seem right somehow. Perhaps its to do with the blurring they use to make the shots look a little more "real"
Chris
I suppose it also depends on how you're demoing your HC system to your friends. If you're just trying to get them to go "WOW!" etc. then 10 minutes of AOTC (the asteroid chase featuring Jango and Obi-Wan), would make your point. If however you're going to sit down and watch a whole movie, then LOTR is much better. It's some of the subtle effects I like, such as during Bilbo's party speech. The hobbit voices seem to come from all around you and it's as if you're part of the party crowd. :)
I'd go for AOTC purely because of the seismic charges. :eek:
I would say picture wise on my 47" RP High-Def TV there is little between them. However LOTR blow away AOTC in sound. The 6.1 Discreet DTS track is superb, far superior to the 5.1EX track on AOTC. Good use of all speakers, not to overpowering in any region, and superb atmospheric effects
gotta say the matte'ing looks awful on AOTC, really suprised ILM let it out the door looking like that.
So id go for LOTR.
Originally posted by neilalford
Only problem I have with LOTR is that after watching the documentaries on the disc I keep focusing on the forced perspective shots and he thinking, he's not really there, he's stood over in the corner!
Ditto. But once we're into the mines of Moria, all is forgotten as that flippin' great Balrog comes at 'em!! The LFE in that sequence (in dts) is about as perfectly pitched as you can get. Sure, it's wall-shakingly intense, but that's because there's a great big monster coming! Quite possibly the finest soundmix I own, and that's saying something when you have the dts Saving Private Ryan dvd.
AOTC is perfect demo material if you love bass (same goes for TPM), but only for a short burst as it does get a bit samey after a while. Gotta love those seismic charges though. Basically, I love LOTR and AOTC, both as movies and dvds. Two Towers here we come!
Hmm, I must have my subwoofer turned down too low, AOTC didn't destroy any furniture whatsoever, thought I'd set it to reference level but maybe I'll just crank it up a few notches to be sure:)
Seismic charges are excellent. I remember sitting in Star city thinking "can't wait to give my system a bashing with this".
Symo
Originally posted by arkham
the first 5 mins of LOTRs is incredible especially the blast wave from sauron:shocker:
Wot he said.
The shockwave had a few things rattling :shocker:
Originally posted by Jazzatola
I'd go for AOTC purely because of the seismic charges. :eek:
When i saw this at the cinema i thought, wow that's gonna sound cool at home. But i am a little dissapointed with it.
Even turned up loads it's not as impressive as it was at the pictures.
For me LOTR wins on audio. Not got the EE (yet) but even the DD track is great, so diversive, thunderous battles scenes juxtoposed with ambient effects. I love the sound the ring makes when ever it's dropped on the floor. That is great bass imaging, can't wait for the DTS version.
Originally posted by arkham
the first 5 mins of LOTRs is incredible especially the blast wave from sauron:shocker:
Wasn't that sound when he is defeated transfered directly from the THX subwoofer crossover test on the Phantom Menace DVD? They sound identical, perpahs thats becasue they are. :confused:
Originally posted by Robby
I don't have the best barometer in measuring how great these two films look on a HC system as i've only got a lowly 21" TV. But even on that (and a Tosh 32" W/S) i can't help but think that AOTC's digital origins shows up it's bluescreen flaws.
God knows what it looks like on a projector but there are too many scenes where the characters really stand out as being seperate from the background.
You know when you watch old movies or tv shows and the blue screen work is so blatently obvious that it's funny? i can't help think that we'll look back on AOTC in few years and do the same.
It's a fantastically sharp and clear print but i'm not sure if digital filming is the best way to go if you rely so heavily on blue/green screen work.
No I fully agree with you there. The scene where Obi-wan and Yoda is on that hovering thing is the worse scene for that bluescreen effect. its mainly the background that's the problem. What I meant by AOTC having the advantage, is the lack of 35mm print problems such as grain and other artifacts etc.
Originally posted by AndySymbian
EPII is dire - especially on a projector. It really shows up the bad CGI and you can see the matt outlines of the blue screen really easily.
Sound is OK, but this is nothing close to demo quality IMHO (and a ***** film to boot)
LOTR is pretty stunning, and both visual and sound are close to reference quality.
How can you say AOTC has ***** CGI? Is your loathing for the movie simply interfering with you saying they are good? Most people who dislike something, usually hate every aspect of that thing. So saying it has ***** CGI is not very fair, even if you didnt like the film you must praise the fact that it breaks new ground digitally. And the effects are simply stunning.
Originally posted by dannywonderful
I suppose it also depends on how you're demoing your HC system to your friends. If you're just trying to get them to go "WOW!" etc. then 10 minutes of AOTC (the asteroid chase featuring Jango and Obi-Wan), would make your point. If however you're going to sit down and watch a whole movie, then LOTR is much better. It's some of the subtle effects I like, such as during Bilbo's party speech. The hobbit voices seem to come from all around you and it's as if you're part of the party crowd. :)
Humm well not sure if my HC will quite make people go WOW....it arrives on Monday and its as follows:
Panasonic TX-28PL10 (100Hz 66cmV Quintrix, flatscreen)
Panasonic SC-HT75 (380W RMS, 5 speakers & Subwoofer, DVD changer, DD & DTS).
Opinions?
I took delivery of the EE LOTR & AOTC on the same day & LOTR went on straight away even though I already had the 2 discer - no contest in my mind ...
The films themselves are in two different leagues IMHO
Sure there are some cool bits on AOTC but there's three & a half hours of them on LOTR ...
I have watched AOTC twice
I have watched LOTR six times already :notworthy
Originally posted by Kryten
I would say picture wise on my 47" RP High-Def TV there is little between them. However LOTR blow away AOTC in sound. The 6.1 Discreet DTS track is superb, far superior to the 5.1EX track on AOTC. Good use of all speakers, not to overpowering in any region, and superb atmospheric effects
Showoff :dork: Question though: If I have a DD or DTS 5.1 system will the DTS ES 6.1 sound option not work?
In my opinion, neither are the ultimate Home Theatre demo disc. AOTC has, as many have pointed out, a completely digital transfer, which is something that I find extremely disconcerting. It makes it look like a cheapo BBC soap. ;) FOTR, on the other hand, is overly filtered, giving it an extremely soft look at times. When I want to show off my setup, I put in something like Hannibal or The Rock (Criterion version), both of which are crisp and detailed, while still looking like film and not video.
Is your loathing for the movie...
steady on - you'll give yourself a connery! I don't LOATH it, it justs not a very good film. IMHO off couse ;)
How can you say AOTC has ***** CGI?
Because it does!
Everything looks too plastic / too shiney etc - nothing look real.
Originally posted by AndySymbian
Is your loathing for the movie...
steady on - you'll give yourself a connery! I don't LOATH it, it justs not a very good film. IMHO off couse ;)
How can you say AOTC has ***** CGI?
Because it does!
Everything looks too plastic / too shiney etc - nothing look real.
I do appologise, I didnt mean to come accross like that :p what I meant (now I have calmed down :eek: ) was that when someone really doesnt like a film they waste no time in dissing every part of it. I just thought with you saying you didnt like it, you were saying that just becasue of that. Never mind. :brickwall I thought the effects are amazing, not as good as FOTR and cetainly not worth of an oscar, but a nomination would do nicely.
A fear I have though is that AOTC might win over the academy award voters this year for the best effects oscar, purely based on the fact that its the most cgi heavy movie ever and all the rest of it. I want TTT to win.
Originally posted by nemesisalive
Showoff :dork: Question though: If I have a DD or DTS 5.1 system will the DTS ES 6.1 sound option not work?
Yes, the 6th channel will be ignored by you DTS processor.
If you had to recommed to someone the ultimate disc between the two above movies, which would you recommend and why, not forgetting that this was for testing a home theatre.
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LOTR Extended. I loved the 5.1 mix on the original 2 disc release but the DTS sound on the extended is slightly better. AOTC is also good if a little bass heavy. ;)
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A BIT bass heavy you say?!
I thought it was completely over the top myself.
Have spent ages gettting the setup correct , only for this film to knock it all out of sync.
Or maybe everthing in the room was supposed to shake during the film eh. :norty:
Spoony.
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Originally posted by spoonman2
A BIT bass heavy you say?!
I thought it was completely over the top myself.
Have spent ages gettting the setup correct , only for this film to knock it all out of sync.
Or maybe everthing in the room was supposed to shake during the film eh. :norty:
Spoony. Hence the winky smiley, Spoony. :) I too had to fiddle with the sub settings, but let's be honest ....... we like fiddling with our AV gear don't we?:norty:
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Hence the :norty: too matey.
I like fiddling with my sub<ooh err>
But i dont like having to pick up picture frames from the floor, with the broken glasses too.
:lol:
I saw this at the cinema, and the bass was utter rubbish.
Spoony.
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the first 5 mins of LOTRs is incredible especially the blast wave from sauron:shocker:
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There's obviously not that much in it, so I'd go for the best film: Attack Of... no, hang on...
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Originally posted by nemesisalive
but Ep II has the slight advantage of Digital to Digital transfer
I don't have the best barometer in measuring how great these two films look on a HC system as i've only got a lowly 21" TV. But even on that (and a Tosh 32" W/S) i can't help but think that AOTC's digital origins shows up it's bluescreen flaws.
God knows what it looks like on a projector but there are too many scenes where the characters really stand out as being seperate from the background.
You know when you watch old movies or tv shows and the blue screen work is so blatently obvious that it's funny? i can't help think that we'll look back on AOTC in few years and do the same.
It's a fantastically sharp and clear print but i'm not sure if digital filming is the best way to go if you rely so heavily on blue/green screen work.
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I've watched them both recently on my projector and I would have to say LOTR, as people have said, the characters in a few scenes in Star wars don't quite sit right with the background.
Only problem I have with LOTR is that after watching the documentaries on the disc I keep focusing on the forced perspective shots and he thinking, he's not really there, he's stood over in the corner!
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EPII is dire - especially on a projector. It really shows up the bad CGI and you can see the matt outlines of the blue screen really easily.
Sound is OK, but this is nothing close to demo quality IMHO (and a ***** film to boot)
LOTR is pretty stunning, and both visual and sound are close to reference quality.
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Agreed, AOTC on a projector really shows up the picture quality. Yoda looks like he has been cut out of a magazine and pasted onto the film by hand. Its awful. I don`t remember it being so bad at the cinema though.
Personally, I don`t like using heavily digitally enhanced films as reference material, they just don`t seem right somehow. Perhaps its to do with the blurring they use to make the shots look a little more "real"
Chris
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I suppose it also depends on how you're demoing your HC system to your friends. If you're just trying to get them to go "WOW!" etc. then 10 minutes of AOTC (the asteroid chase featuring Jango and Obi-Wan), would make your point. If however you're going to sit down and watch a whole movie, then LOTR is much better. It's some of the subtle effects I like, such as during Bilbo's party speech. The hobbit voices seem to come from all around you and it's as if you're part of the party crowd. :)
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I'd go for AOTC purely because of the seismic charges. :eek:
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I would say picture wise on my 47" RP High-Def TV there is little between them. However LOTR blow away AOTC in sound. The 6.1 Discreet DTS track is superb, far superior to the 5.1EX track on AOTC. Good use of all speakers, not to overpowering in any region, and superb atmospheric effects
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gotta say the matte'ing looks awful on AOTC, really suprised ILM let it out the door looking like that.
So id go for LOTR.
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Originally posted by neilalford
Only problem I have with LOTR is that after watching the documentaries on the disc I keep focusing on the forced perspective shots and he thinking, he's not really there, he's stood over in the corner!
Ditto. But once we're into the mines of Moria, all is forgotten as that flippin' great Balrog comes at 'em!! The LFE in that sequence (in dts) is about as perfectly pitched as you can get. Sure, it's wall-shakingly intense, but that's because there's a great big monster coming! Quite possibly the finest soundmix I own, and that's saying something when you have the dts Saving Private Ryan dvd.
AOTC is perfect demo material if you love bass (same goes for TPM), but only for a short burst as it does get a bit samey after a while. Gotta love those seismic charges though. Basically, I love LOTR and AOTC, both as movies and dvds. Two Towers here we come!
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Hmm, I must have my subwoofer turned down too low, AOTC didn't destroy any furniture whatsoever, thought I'd set it to reference level but maybe I'll just crank it up a few notches to be sure:)
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Seismic charges are excellent. I remember sitting in Star city thinking "can't wait to give my system a bashing with this".
Symo
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Originally posted by arkham
the first 5 mins of LOTRs is incredible especially the blast wave from sauron:shocker:
Wot he said.
The shockwave had a few things rattling :shocker:
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Originally posted by Jazzatola
I'd go for AOTC purely because of the seismic charges. :eek:
When i saw this at the cinema i thought, wow that's gonna sound cool at home. But i am a little dissapointed with it.
Even turned up loads it's not as impressive as it was at the pictures.
For me LOTR wins on audio. Not got the EE (yet) but even the DD track is great, so diversive, thunderous battles scenes juxtoposed with ambient effects. I love the sound the ring makes when ever it's dropped on the floor. That is great bass imaging, can't wait for the DTS version.
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Originally posted by arkham
the first 5 mins of LOTRs is incredible especially the blast wave from sauron:shocker:
Wasn't that sound when he is defeated transfered directly from the THX subwoofer crossover test on the Phantom Menace DVD? They sound identical, perpahs thats becasue they are. :confused:
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Originally posted by Robby
I don't have the best barometer in measuring how great these two films look on a HC system as i've only got a lowly 21" TV. But even on that (and a Tosh 32" W/S) i can't help but think that AOTC's digital origins shows up it's bluescreen flaws.
God knows what it looks like on a projector but there are too many scenes where the characters really stand out as being seperate from the background.
You know when you watch old movies or tv shows and the blue screen work is so blatently obvious that it's funny? i can't help think that we'll look back on AOTC in few years and do the same.
It's a fantastically sharp and clear print but i'm not sure if digital filming is the best way to go if you rely so heavily on blue/green screen work.
No I fully agree with you there. The scene where Obi-wan and Yoda is on that hovering thing is the worse scene for that bluescreen effect. its mainly the background that's the problem. What I meant by AOTC having the advantage, is the lack of 35mm print problems such as grain and other artifacts etc.
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Originally posted by AndySymbian
EPII is dire - especially on a projector. It really shows up the bad CGI and you can see the matt outlines of the blue screen really easily.
Sound is OK, but this is nothing close to demo quality IMHO (and a ***** film to boot)
LOTR is pretty stunning, and both visual and sound are close to reference quality.
How can you say AOTC has ***** CGI? Is your loathing for the movie simply interfering with you saying they are good? Most people who dislike something, usually hate every aspect of that thing. So saying it has ***** CGI is not very fair, even if you didnt like the film you must praise the fact that it breaks new ground digitally. And the effects are simply stunning.
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Originally posted by dannywonderful
I suppose it also depends on how you're demoing your HC system to your friends. If you're just trying to get them to go "WOW!" etc. then 10 minutes of AOTC (the asteroid chase featuring Jango and Obi-Wan), would make your point. If however you're going to sit down and watch a whole movie, then LOTR is much better. It's some of the subtle effects I like, such as during Bilbo's party speech. The hobbit voices seem to come from all around you and it's as if you're part of the party crowd. :)
Humm well not sure if my HC will quite make people go WOW....it arrives on Monday and its as follows:
Panasonic TX-28PL10 (100Hz 66cmV Quintrix, flatscreen)
Panasonic SC-HT75 (380W RMS, 5 speakers & Subwoofer, DVD changer, DD & DTS).
Opinions?
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I took delivery of the EE LOTR & AOTC on the same day & LOTR went on straight away even though I already had the 2 discer - no contest in my mind ...
The films themselves are in two different leagues IMHO
Sure there are some cool bits on AOTC but there's three & a half hours of them on LOTR ...
I have watched AOTC twice
I have watched LOTR six times already :notworthy
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Originally posted by Kryten
I would say picture wise on my 47" RP High-Def TV there is little between them. However LOTR blow away AOTC in sound. The 6.1 Discreet DTS track is superb, far superior to the 5.1EX track on AOTC. Good use of all speakers, not to overpowering in any region, and superb atmospheric effects
Showoff :dork: Question though: If I have a DD or DTS 5.1 system will the DTS ES 6.1 sound option not work?
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In my opinion, neither are the ultimate Home Theatre demo disc. AOTC has, as many have pointed out, a completely digital transfer, which is something that I find extremely disconcerting. It makes it look like a cheapo BBC soap. ;) FOTR, on the other hand, is overly filtered, giving it an extremely soft look at times. When I want to show off my setup, I put in something like Hannibal or The Rock (Criterion version), both of which are crisp and detailed, while still looking like film and not video.
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Is your loathing for the movie...
steady on - you'll give yourself a connery! I don't LOATH it, it justs not a very good film. IMHO off couse ;)
How can you say AOTC has ***** CGI?
Because it does!
Everything looks too plastic / too shiney etc - nothing look real.
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Originally posted by AndySymbian
Is your loathing for the movie...
steady on - you'll give yourself a connery! I don't LOATH it, it justs not a very good film. IMHO off couse ;)
How can you say AOTC has ***** CGI?
Because it does!
Everything looks too plastic / too shiney etc - nothing look real.
I do appologise, I didnt mean to come accross like that :p what I meant (now I have calmed down :eek: ) was that when someone really doesnt like a film they waste no time in dissing every part of it. I just thought with you saying you didnt like it, you were saying that just becasue of that. Never mind. :brickwall I thought the effects are amazing, not as good as FOTR and cetainly not worth of an oscar, but a nomination would do nicely.
A fear I have though is that AOTC might win over the academy award voters this year for the best effects oscar, purely based on the fact that its the most cgi heavy movie ever and all the rest of it. I want TTT to win.
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Originally posted by nemesisalive
Showoff :dork: Question though: If I have a DD or DTS 5.1 system will the DTS ES 6.1 sound option not work?
Yes, the 6th channel will be ignored by you DTS processor.
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