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When i first bought my first surround set-up (Digitheatre DTS) i was impressed but couldn't help thinking that technology will only push it further and wondered where they'd but speakers next. Ceiling and floor speakers are the next logical step (not sure how floor ones could work though).
It'll get to the point were there are more speakers in a cinema than patrons and the headache for HC enthuisiasts in trying to replicate that at home will be immense too.
Can't say i blame them for wanting to expand and compete with dedicated HC set-ups but where do you draw the line?
Ambisonics - The same effect, theoretically perfect, but never implemented outside of a laboratory....
Don't have any links though (only my university lecture notes)
if you have a rectangular room, there is a speaker in each corner (all 8) and one in the middle of each edge (i.e. 3 down the top left hand side of the room, 3 down the top right, 3 down the bottom left, and 3 down the bottom right, and a top and bottom front and back centre speaker.
Due to phantom imaging (a bit dodgy behind the head), spatial integration and lots of DSP, you get full 3D surround.
Does it work well? Yes, I have had a system demonstrated to me...
In the 1st part of 'house on the haunted hill', the inmates riot. During this (early on) there are people banging on the roof of the office.
Even with pro-Logic the imaging is great and with DD5.1 it sounds like people banging above you.
This is probably one of the better image effects of any film I own.
Wouldn't full surround sound be out of place if the image is only on a flat screen at one end of the room?
"Ambisonics - The same effect, theoretically perfect, but never implemented outside of a laboratory..."
...erm... oh boy! WOW!!! <a href="http://www.s2n.org/Articles/Ambisonics.html">Ambisonics</a>... haven't heard that name in ages!...
...incidentally, I believe the system was in fact implemented outside the lab: a number of appropriately encoded <a href="http://personal.riverusers.com/~manderso/uhjdisc/ambilink.htm">LPs and CDs</a> were available at one time, and at least one movie* used it, too... I think...
*...Documentary filmmaker Ron Fricke's 1985 IMAX short <a href="http://www.bigmoviezone.com/filmsearch/movies/index.html?uniq=82">Chronos</a>...
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Hasn't somebody come up with a system which replaces the multiple speaker setups with a single panel.
Digital sound projection ? see here (http://www.1limited.com/tech/sp/)
Mind you theres something somewhere that says the current cost is £10,000 but they're trying to reduce the cost to the equivalent of a normal TV
That's nothing, on my 14" Bush :norty: if you turn up the volume you can clearly here some woman say "Of course he's jewish" when Superman saves a little boy from falling in Niagra falls in superman 2. :D
Oh, and don't forget the classic "Yeah I know Judo come on lets go" shouted by a pedestrian just after Superman get's crushed by the flying bus :nuts:
Originally posted by Robby
When i first bought my first surround set-up (Digitheatre DTS) i was impressed but couldn't help thinking that technology will only push it further and wondered where they'd but speakers next. Ceiling and floor speakers are the next logical step (not sure how floor ones could work though).
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I've long been saying that you should just hang yourself in the air with wires and stick a speaker or two under your ass as well for 10.1 setup or whatever, and better use fishing wire or something strong and tiny so it doesn't obstruct your view of your gigantic screen, and then, hopefully, that person will get entangled in all that wire while getting up there or off and choke/cut his own head or other limbs off in the process. :brickwall
:thumbs:
So long as they invent wireless speakers that are only a couple of inches in diameter that can produce all the required frequencies and that can be blue-tacked to a wall, I don't mind how many it takes to get full surround sound....
I have heard that Phillips are trying to develop a surround system (as good as DD/DTS 5.1 systems) that just use a pair of speakers (i.e. Left and Right). There is just a lot of DSP...
Originally posted by stephen
Wouldn't full surround sound be out of place if the image is only on a flat screen at one end of the room?
That's kind of how I see it. I'm happy with two speakers and stereo image in front of you; after all, the action is 'in front' of you.
Only when the action is all around you, do you need sound all around you.
Sometimes I find the sound in cinemas out of place.
Best Dolby Surround track I've ever heard was on the W/S VHS of Shallow Grave!
The bit when they're in the BnQ, and there's a tannoy announcement, it sounds like it's right above your head.
How about this for innovation...
Hypersonic Sound! (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,351353,00.html)
Originally posted by stephen
Wouldn't full surround sound be out of place if the image is only on a flat screen at one end of the room?
very true, no matter how real you make the sound, ur sound... i am personally more interested in advances to make the image feel more 3-D and immersive.. you can have how ever many speakers you want, or even one if the case may be... but it's still only half the picture as Widescreen enthusiasts would like to say :) it's all well and true having great sound imaging, but at the end of the day we know we are sitting in a room and the sound is coming from something artificial.
the day will come when we don't use speakers, or a screen but our (cue the haunting echo) MINDS to watch or sense the latest Bond movie!! yay! :clap:
anyway, i'm all for any advances in picture or sound! !
Enjoy ! ! !
...related link: <a href="http://www.srslabs.com/">SRS Labs</a>
. . . :zzz: . . .
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When i first bought my first surround set-up (Digitheatre DTS) i was impressed but couldn't help thinking that technology will only push it further and wondered where they'd but speakers next. Ceiling and floor speakers are the next logical step (not sure how floor ones could work though).
It'll get to the point were there are more speakers in a cinema than patrons and the headache for HC enthuisiasts in trying to replicate that at home will be immense too.
Can't say i blame them for wanting to expand and compete with dedicated HC set-ups but where do you draw the line?
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Ambisonics - The same effect, theoretically perfect, but never implemented outside of a laboratory....
Don't have any links though (only my university lecture notes)
if you have a rectangular room, there is a speaker in each corner (all 8) and one in the middle of each edge (i.e. 3 down the top left hand side of the room, 3 down the top right, 3 down the bottom left, and 3 down the bottom right, and a top and bottom front and back centre speaker.
Due to phantom imaging (a bit dodgy behind the head), spatial integration and lots of DSP, you get full 3D surround.
Does it work well? Yes, I have had a system demonstrated to me...
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In the 1st part of 'house on the haunted hill', the inmates riot. During this (early on) there are people banging on the roof of the office.
Even with pro-Logic the imaging is great and with DD5.1 it sounds like people banging above you.
This is probably one of the better image effects of any film I own.
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Wouldn't full surround sound be out of place if the image is only on a flat screen at one end of the room?
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"Ambisonics - The same effect, theoretically perfect, but never implemented outside of a laboratory..."
...erm... oh boy! WOW!!! <a href="http://www.s2n.org/Articles/Ambisonics.html">Ambisonics</a>... haven't heard that name in ages!...
...incidentally, I believe the system was in fact implemented outside the lab: a number of appropriately encoded <a href="http://personal.riverusers.com/~manderso/uhjdisc/ambilink.htm">LPs and CDs</a> were available at one time, and at least one movie* used it, too... I think...
*...Documentary filmmaker Ron Fricke's 1985 IMAX short <a href="http://www.bigmoviezone.com/filmsearch/movies/index.html?uniq=82">Chronos</a>...
. . . :| . . .
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Hasn't somebody come up with a system which replaces the multiple speaker setups with a single panel.
Digital sound projection ? see here (http://www.1limited.com/tech/sp/)
Mind you theres something somewhere that says the current cost is £10,000 but they're trying to reduce the cost to the equivalent of a normal TV
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That's nothing, on my 14" Bush :norty: if you turn up the volume you can clearly here some woman say "Of course he's jewish" when Superman saves a little boy from falling in Niagra falls in superman 2. :D
Oh, and don't forget the classic "Yeah I know Judo come on lets go" shouted by a pedestrian just after Superman get's crushed by the flying bus :nuts:
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Originally posted by Robby
When i first bought my first surround set-up (Digitheatre DTS) i was impressed but couldn't help thinking that technology will only push it further and wondered where they'd but speakers next. Ceiling and floor speakers are the next logical step (not sure how floor ones could work though).
\
I've long been saying that you should just hang yourself in the air with wires and stick a speaker or two under your ass as well for 10.1 setup or whatever, and better use fishing wire or something strong and tiny so it doesn't obstruct your view of your gigantic screen, and then, hopefully, that person will get entangled in all that wire while getting up there or off and choke/cut his own head or other limbs off in the process. :brickwall
:thumbs:
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So long as they invent wireless speakers that are only a couple of inches in diameter that can produce all the required frequencies and that can be blue-tacked to a wall, I don't mind how many it takes to get full surround sound....
I have heard that Phillips are trying to develop a surround system (as good as DD/DTS 5.1 systems) that just use a pair of speakers (i.e. Left and Right). There is just a lot of DSP...
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Originally posted by stephen
Wouldn't full surround sound be out of place if the image is only on a flat screen at one end of the room?
That's kind of how I see it. I'm happy with two speakers and stereo image in front of you; after all, the action is 'in front' of you.
Only when the action is all around you, do you need sound all around you.
Sometimes I find the sound in cinemas out of place.
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Best Dolby Surround track I've ever heard was on the W/S VHS of Shallow Grave!
The bit when they're in the BnQ, and there's a tannoy announcement, it sounds like it's right above your head.
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How about this for innovation...
Hypersonic Sound! (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,351353,00.html)
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Originally posted by stephen
Wouldn't full surround sound be out of place if the image is only on a flat screen at one end of the room?
very true, no matter how real you make the sound, ur sound... i am personally more interested in advances to make the image feel more 3-D and immersive.. you can have how ever many speakers you want, or even one if the case may be... but it's still only half the picture as Widescreen enthusiasts would like to say :) it's all well and true having great sound imaging, but at the end of the day we know we are sitting in a room and the sound is coming from something artificial.
the day will come when we don't use speakers, or a screen but our (cue the haunting echo) MINDS to watch or sense the latest Bond movie!! yay! :clap:
anyway, i'm all for any advances in picture or sound! !
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