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http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/index.cgi?page=News&id=3779
Oh yes:thumbs:
Without wanting to speak to soon, it looks like MIA have managed to deliver what HKL failed to do with The Killer.
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Without wanting to speak to soon, it looks like MIA have managed to deliver what HKL failed to do with The Killer.
Never thought Id see that:p
That said I have no complaints about The Killer HKL.
Now all thats left is an R2 Hard Boiled tin from Tartan:thumbs:
hurry up HKL and get the sequels out !!
i watched 1 + 2 earlier this year on VCD. VCD is terrible i hate it with passion, VHS > VCDs !! :dork:
woo hoo :D :clap:
I still have haven't got round to buying the The Killer yet tho :shocker: :o
:eek: - could MIA finally realise what a market there is for well produced HK DVDs instead of the god awful efforts they have mustered so far?!?! :clap:
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Without wanting to speak to soon, it looks like MIA have managed to deliver what HKL failed to do with The Killer.
What did HKL fail to do with 'The Killer' - release a crap quality, MIA-style disc?!?
:confused:
Originally posted by Troll
What did HKL fail to do with 'The Killer' - release a crap quality, MIA-style disc?!?
:confused:
I agree with you - there's absolutely nothing wrong with the new R2 'Killer' - still some people make it a hobby to nit-pick and look for problems when there aren't any...
Great news but from what ive read on here MIA are not to great so im sticking with my Anchor Bay copy till there are some reviews about. Then i will make my mide up. Im still waiting for ''The Killer'' form CD WOW:(
Unlucky Alf: I'm still waiting aswell - got a nice email telling me that I should get my copy before 30th Novemeber :(
Rag
CD-WOW has just dispated my 'The Killer'. :)
So this R2 edition of the Killer is the best available then?
I have a measly R0 version of it, not pirated but pretty sucky and barebones.
Got Better Tomorrow I & II but also not that good.
Originally posted by monkeyWRENCH
CD-WOW has just dispated my 'The Killer'. :)
and mine:)
Definitely going to hang fire on this until good reports come in; don't trust MIA at all - my AB copies will do just fine until then.
2 discs doesn't necessarily equate to quality in my book.
Originally posted by Lenny Nero
So this R2 edition of the Killer is the best available then?
I have a measly R0 version of it, not pirated but pretty sucky and barebones.
Got Better Tomorrow I & II but also not that good.
HKL 'The Killer' ROCKS - don't think twice, jus' git it!
As for 'Better Tomorrow' 1 & 2, both are available on excellent R1 Anchor Bay discs at the mo' BUT part 2 will be forthcoming from HKL, so you might want to hold on...
I too DO NOT TRUST MIA!!!
:smokin:
I just bought A Better Tomorrow (Anchor Bay) R1 last month, after owning MIA's first (very poor) release that I picked up for a fiver in HMV. :(
I am going to wait to see some reviews before I upgrade my disc yet again.
I just hope Hong Kong Legends hurry up with the sequel and Bullet in the Head.
MIA's release of The Duel was fairly good though, but the second disc was really rather pointless.
They could (and should!) have put all the special features on the first disc.
I hate the film, though.
Stormriders was also pretty good, although it was only Non anamorphic.
Originally posted by Troll
As for 'Better Tomorrow' 1 & 2, both are available on excellent R1 Anchor Bay discs at the mo'
You must have some rare version of Anchor Bay's A Better Tomorrow - my copy has a half assed video transfer and a soundtrack that features a total drop out in the first couple of minutes. Oh, and nothing in the way of extras. Excellent? I think not.
Oh yes! :clap:
Originally posted by Troll
What did HKL fail to do with 'The Killer' - release a crap quality, MIA-style disc?!?
:confused:
Err no, release a 2nd disc. :rolleyes:
I agree with you - there's absolutely nothing wrong with the new R2 'Killer' - still some people make it a hobby to nit-pick and look for problems when there aren't any...
Despite the fault issues with the sound which arent present on any of the other releases ?.
The HKL release might be the best version released so far, but to say 'there's absolutely nothing wrong' with it is far from accurate.
Anyway I was talking about the lack of 2nd disc which HKL would have us believe there isnt a market for. I think MIA should at least be given some credit for that.
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Err no, release a 2nd disc. :rolleyes:
Despite the fault issues with the sound which arent present on any of the other releases ?.
The HKL release might be the best version released so far, but to say 'there's absolutely nothing wrong' with it is far from accurate.
Anyway I was talking about the lack of 2nd disc which HKL would have us believe there isnt a market for. I think MIA should at least be given some credit for that.
I think that the second disc will be similar to other 2 disc MIA releases, i.e. Full Frame English version of the film. There certainly aren't enough extras in the press release to warrant a second disc.
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Anyway I was talking about the lack of 2nd disc which HKL would have us believe there isnt a market for. I think MIA should at least be given some credit for that.
Depends entirely on what it contains - if it's a 2nd disc with nothing but filler then MIA should be criticised (as should other guilty studios)
If, on the other hand, it's choc-full of worthwhile, interesting & well thought out extra material, supplementing the stunning audio/video transfer that resides on disc 1, then there will be cause for much celebration, maybe even a street party.
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Despite the fault issues with the sound which arent present on any of the other releases ?.
No sound issues here
:confused:
Originally posted by sidebog7
I think that the second disc will be similar to other 2 disc MIA releases, i.e. Full Frame English version of the film. There certainly aren't enough extras in the press release to warrant a second disc.
It goes by the title of 2-disc collectors edition, surely they wouldnt call it that if it was 2-discs with the same movie on ?.
At least MIA got some Chow Yun Fat intereviews which again HKL failed to deliver on.
Originally posted by MattCapes
You must have some rare version of Anchor Bay's A Better Tomorrow - my copy has a half assed video transfer and a soundtrack that features a total drop out in the first couple of minutes. Oh, and nothing in the way of extras. Excellent? I think not.
No, you may well have the rare version - this disc was recalled after it's initial run & re-pressed...
Due to advancing age (& alcohol dependency!) my memory's not wonderful but I seem to recall that the original pressing had ENTIRELY the wrong musical score...
Either way, I've not seen a BETTER version than the Anchor Bay disc - have you?
Even "excellent" can be subjective...
:smokin:
Originally posted by Troll
No, you may well have the rare version - this disc was recalled after it's initial run & re-pressed...
Due to advancing age (& alcohol dependency!) my memory's not wonderful but I seem to recall that the original pressing had ENTIRELY the wrong musical score...
Either way, I've not seen a BETTER version than the Anchor Bay disc - have you?
Even "excellent" can be subjective...
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No i believe all of AB's ABT have the sound drop out at the start. But as you said its by far the best version availble and i dont really trust MIA.
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
It goes by the title of 2-disc collectors edition, surely they wouldnt call it that if it was 2-discs with the same movie on ?.
At least MIA got some Chow Yun Fat intereviews which again HKL failed to deliver on.
Stormriders has the original version (Director's cut?) in OAR and Cantonese and the extras on one disc and the 90 minute international version fullscreen and English on the other.
A Man Called Hero has the widescreen version with English subtitles and full screen English version on disc one and the extras on the other.
These are both Collectors editions. I realise that the second version of the films are different but I think that most collectors wouldn't watch them more than once (and then only out of curiosity).
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
It goes by the title of 2-disc collectors edition, surely they wouldnt call it that if it was 2-discs with the same movie on ?.
At least MIA got some Chow Yun Fat intereviews which again HKL failed to deliver on. Curiously there's some cool <I>A Better Tomorrow</i> related footage, on Tartan's SE Boxset of <I>Hard Boiled</i> (VHS), of Chow Yun Fat (during his first trip to UK?) demonstrating how he did the "blood pouring from nose" technique in the film as well as interviews with Ti Lung and others from around the same time. This would be great to include on the DVD.
Originally posted by Troll
No, you may well have the rare version - this disc was recalled after it's initial run & re-pressed...
Either way, I've not seen a BETTER version than the Anchor Bay disc - have you?
Even "excellent" can be subjective...
No, I have the mono version, the repress and it has a 10 second sound drop out - as does yours... :)
On DVD? No. But there isn't a lot of competition - but it still certainly isn't excellent - even compared against the few competitors it has it only comes out as okay.
Originally posted by john316
:eek: - could MIA finally realise what a market there is for well produced HK DVDs
MIA are a UK company. :rolleyes:
:lol:
Originally posted by Gary Cowell
Curiously there's some cool A Better Tomorrow related footage, on Tartan's SE Boxset of Hard Boiled (VHS), of Chow Yun Fat (during his first trip to UK?) demonstrating how he did the "blood pouring from nose" technique in the film as well as interviews with Ti Lung and others from around the same time. This would be great to include on the DVD.
That sounds like the footage that is included on the MIA 'A Better Tomorrow' VHS Boxset they released years back. I'm pretty sure all of that and more is on the 'Cinema of Vengeance' VHS release that is available (possibly on DVD as well by now).
Originally posted by Paul490
MIA are a UK company. :rolleyes:
:lol:
Erm...your point being?
Originally posted by Narshty
Erm...your point being?
My point being that it sounds like DVDs made for HK, not DVDs of HK films to be sold in the UK.
Though better DVDs from HK would be good too.
Yes. Pedant, I know. I'll get my coat. ;)
Originally posted by Paul490
Yes. Pedant, I know. I'll get my coat. ;)
And be sure the door doesn't slam your arse on the way out! :)
Originally posted by Narshty
And be sure the door doesn't slam your arse on the way out! :)
Is that right? ;)
Originally posted by MattCapes
...but it still certainly isn't excellent - even compared against the few competitors it has it only comes out as okay.
If it excels, i.e. it surpasses others of a similar nature (and we've established that it hasn't been superseded as yet on DVD), it is by definition excellent...
:smokin:
:lol:
Indulging in a bit of the ol' pedantry, idi--... mate? :D
I am a pedant. I'm sure you all know this.
Originally posted by Paul490
I am a _____________. I'm sure you all know this.
I've thought of a new game...
Originally posted by Narshty
I've thought of a new game...
Please tell.
Originally posted by Paul490
:lol:
Indulging in a bit of the ol' pedantry, idi--... mate? :D
Steady there Paulie, you know what happened last time... ;)
:smokin:
Originally posted by Troll
Steady there Paulie, you know what happened last time... ;)
:smokin:
You encouraged him?
Originally posted by Narshty
You encouraged him?
Are you in 'Paulie's gang' then?
You're up late on a school night...
:smokin:
Originally posted by Troll
Steady there Paulie, you know what happened last time... ;)
:smokin:
Ha ha ha ha...
Yeah, I remember.
Watch it, you. ;)
Mate, there's a recent post at the other place. Could you post it here for us?
About 2 weeks ago i got a mate who lives in Hong Kong to send over a better tomorrow 1+2 on DVD what bad timing that was.
And i still aint had them yet. Costing me £20 for the two so it is'nt that bad.:eek: :eek: :mad: :mad:
£10 each? Bit of a rip-off there mate.
Originally posted by Paul490
£10 each? Bit of a rip-off there mate.
Nice one Paul; that's both constructive AND bound to make Rocky feel better... :oh-hum:
:smokin:
Originally posted by Troll
Nice one Paul; that's both constructive AND bound to make Rocky feel better...
But it is correct. :)
Originally posted by Paul490
But it is correct. :)
JUUUUUSSSSTTT GOOOOO AWAAAAYYYYY!
Originally posted by Thomasd
JUUUUUSSSSTTT GOOOOO AWAAAAYYYYY!
:clap:
:smokin:
Originally posted by Troll
If it excels, i.e. it surpasses others of a similar nature (and we've established that it hasn't been superseded as yet on DVD), it is by definition excellent...
Or to take the other dictionary definition; "Of the highest or finest quality" - something it certainly isn't.
Let's put it another way - were I to review that disc and in any way refer to it as "excellent" I'd be doing an injustice to the readers. Anyone who bought that disc believing it to be excellent based on your post would, I think, have a perfect right to hunt you down and make you eat your hat. ;)
Originally posted by MattCapes
Or to take the other dictionary definition; "Of the highest or finest quality" - something it certainly isn't.
Let's put it another way - were I to review that disc and in any way refer to it as "excellent" I'd be doing an injustice to the readers. Anyone who bought that disc believing it to be excellent based on your post would, I think, have a perfect right to hunt you down and make you eat your hat. ;)
Firstly, I didn't use your 'other' definition (took you a while to look it up, didn't it?) - what I wrote stands, live with it...
Secondly, anybody who buys ANY disc based on someone's opinion deserves all they get, good or bad - it's just an opinion...
Thirdly, I suggest you give your Anchor Bay 'A Better Tomorrow' to RockyWilcox - I'll keep mine, it's excellent...
:smokin:
Originally posted by Thomasd
JUUUUUSSSSTTT GOOOOO AWAAAAYYYYY!
PLEASE SHUT UP.
Thank you so much.
Originally posted by Troll
Secondly, anybody who buys ANY disc based on someone's opinion deserves all they get, good or bad - it's just an opinion...
:smokin:
Actually theres alot of times where I fully rely on other peoples opinions, you have no choice but too where foreign cinema is concerned.
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Actually theres alot of times where I fully rely on other peoples opinions, you have no choice but too where foreign cinema is concerned.
Well that's up to you, isn't it?!?
I didn't say you SHOULDN'T buy based on the opinion of another, just that the outcome can go either way (based on how synchronous your opinions are)...
If you trust someone's taste/opinion, fine, but how well do you know these, or any other, forum members?
:smokin:
Everyones opinions count. Except 490's:p
Originally posted by Troll
Well that's up to you, isn't it?!?
I didn't say you SHOULDN'T buy based on the opinion of another, just that the outcome can go either way (based on how synchronous your opinions are)...
If you trust someone's taste/opinion, fine, but how well do you know these, or any other, forum members?
:smokin:
Well enough to buy the overall majority of my dvds blind.
But I fail to see your point, how can you not buy something based on peoples opinions ?. You need an independant opinion to begin with before you can make up your mind as to whether or not you will like a film in the first place.
Luckerly there are a number of reviewers and posters to this and other forums whos opinions are drawn up by having an advanced knowledge of the type of films they chose to review. They may not always get everything right and there are occasions when I may disagree but I'd trust their opinions more than the Ross's or any major film publication.
Originally posted by Troll
Firstly, I didn't use your 'other' definition (took you a while to look it up, didn't it?) - what I wrote stands, live with it...
Secondly, anybody who buys ANY disc based on someone's opinion deserves all they get, good or bad - it's just an opinion...
Thirdly, I suggest you give your Anchor Bay 'A Better Tomorrow' to RockyWilcox - I'll keep mine, it's excellent...
Firstly, no, it didn't.
Secondly, anyone who buys something based on a single opinion risks being disappointed - whihc is why I added my opinion to yours to offer a more balanced view.
Thirdly, thanks for the advice, but I think I'll keep it, after all it's an excellent film - if only an average disc.
Originally posted by Troll
Secondly, anybody who buys ANY disc based on someone's opinion deserves all they get, good or bad - it's just an opinion...
Without people spreading the word, small movies like Donnie Darko, Memento and co would never be seen simply cos they never get full scale cinema releases.
Originally posted by john316
Without people spreading the word, small movies like Donnie Darko, Memento and co would never be seen simply cos they never get full scale cinema releases.
Read my lips:
I'm not saying DON'T buy/watch it...
I'm saying:
WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE IT WILL DEPEND ON YOU HAVING SIMILAR TASTE TO THE PERSON WHOSE OPINION YOU LISTENED TO!!!
Jeez... :rolleyes:
:smokin:
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
You need an independant opinion to begin with before you can make up your mind as to whether or not you will like a film in the first place...
No, I decide whether or not I like a film by...
...wait for it...
...it's worth it, hold on...
WATCHING IT!!!
Radical concept, no?!? :lol:
:smokin:
I have completely lost the entire point of your point?
We are saying that you go the cinema or buy a DVD based partially on the opinions of others. You seem to be saying that only us personally can tell if a film is good.
These are 2 completely different points unless you are in another world completely?
Originally posted by john316
I have completely lost the entire point of your point?
We are saying that you go the cinema or buy a DVD based partially on the opinions of others. You seem to be saying that only us personally can tell if a film is good.
These are 2 completely different points unless you are in another world completely?
Ok, I'll do this REAL S L O W...
If you watch a film based on another's opinion you will, after watching that film, either AGREE or DISAGREE with whomever you listened to...
Yes, only YOU can tell whether YOU like a film (surprise, surprise) - that's why YOU watch them...
"You seem to be saying that only us personally can tell if a film is good."
Uh, yeah... do YOU need someone to TELL you if a film is good?!? :confused:
:smokin:
Originally posted by Troll
Ok, I'll do this REAL S L O W...
If you watch a film based on another's opinion you will, after watching that film, either AGREE or DISAGREE with whomever you listened to...
Yes, only YOU can tell whether YOU like a film (surprise, surprise) - that's why YOU watch them...
"You seem to be saying that only us personally can tell if a film is good."
Uh, yeah... do YOU need someone to TELL you if a film is good?!? :confused:
:smokin:
Erm, we don't have 24/7 to watch movies at the cinema, on DVD and on the TV - so we use these people called 'Movie Critics' who write something called 'reviews'. These tell us about the movie and gives us, the potential viewer an insight into the film and whether we are likely to enjoy it. We also ask people who have seen the movie and ask them their opinions on the film! These people are called 'Viewers'
Perhaps you haven't heard of these things in the movie viewing world - if not, then check them out, they are really useful! :eek:
Originally posted by john316
Erm, we don't have 24/7 to watch movies at the cinema, on DVD and on the TV - so we use these people called 'Movie Critics' who write something called 'reviews'. These tell us about the movie and gives us, the potential viewer an insight into the film and whether we are likely to enjoy it. We also ask people who have seen the movie and ask them their opinions on the film! These people are called 'Viewers'
Perhaps you haven't heard of these things in the movie viewing world - if not, then check them out, they are really useful! :eek:
So if I tell you a film is good, does that make it good? :confused:
Watch films yourself to decide if YOU like them.
(It's not a difficult point to grasp.)
You need to be told by '...Movie Critics...' or "...people who have seen the movie..." whether you like a film, yeah?
Can you not understand that a 'review' is simply one person's opinion?!?
:smokin:
:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:
Originally posted by Troll
You need to be told by '...Movie Critics...' or "...people who have seen the movie..." whether you like a film, yeah?
I certainly will use their opinion to influence whether I see the movie or not as do the majority of film watchers! That way, I don't waste my time and money on the abysmal movies that come our way. Did you know that there happends to be thousands of movies released in a year - surprisingly it really helps to take opinions onboard over whether we should see them! :eek:
Up for pre order at play.
http://www.playserver3.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=110119
Originally posted by john316
I certainly will use their opinion to influence whether I see the movie or not as do the majority of film watchers!
I think you'll find the majority of intelligent film-watchers will take subject matter, plot info, cast, director etc. into account when deciding whether to watch something...
I know I do.
Then I make up MY OWN MIND as to whether I like it!
:smokin:
REVIEW:
http://www.chud.com/chudvd/reviews/abt.php3
Originally posted by Garry Cowell
Curiously there's some cool <I>A Better Tomorrow</i> related footage, on Tartan's SE Boxset of <I>Hard Boiled</i> (VHS), of Chow Yun Fat (during his first trip to UK?) demonstrating how he did the "blood pouring from nose" technique in the film as well as interviews with Ti Lung and others from around the same time. This would be great to include on the DVD. Looks like I presumed correctly! :D
Review's online at chud.com (http://www.chud.com/chudvd/reviews/abt.php3)
Surprise, surprise the disc tech specs look a little under par - a DD 2.0 track only? It clearly isn't the original audio so why not go the whole way and release it as DD 5.1? :oh-hum:
It looks ok to me.
The only thing thats disapointing is the lack of extra features. I don't think any of us were expecting an excellent transfer by any stretch of the imagination and considering the reviewer only gave The Killer HKL 6.5/10 for the transfer it might be surprisingly good. The original audiotrack was mono so Im not gonna complain about the lack of DD5.1.
Oh yes:thumbs:
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Without wanting to speak to soon, it looks like MIA have managed to deliver what HKL failed to do with The Killer.
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Without wanting to speak to soon, it looks like MIA have managed to deliver what HKL failed to do with The Killer.
Never thought Id see that:p
That said I have no complaints about The Killer HKL.
Now all thats left is an R2 Hard Boiled tin from Tartan:thumbs:
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hurry up HKL and get the sequels out !!
i watched 1 + 2 earlier this year on VCD. VCD is terrible i hate it with passion, VHS > VCDs !! :dork:
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woo hoo :D :clap:
I still have haven't got round to buying the The Killer yet tho :shocker: :o
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:eek: - could MIA finally realise what a market there is for well produced HK DVDs instead of the god awful efforts they have mustered so far?!?! :clap:
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Without wanting to speak to soon, it looks like MIA have managed to deliver what HKL failed to do with The Killer.
What did HKL fail to do with 'The Killer' - release a crap quality, MIA-style disc?!?
:confused:
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Originally posted by Troll
What did HKL fail to do with 'The Killer' - release a crap quality, MIA-style disc?!?
:confused:
I agree with you - there's absolutely nothing wrong with the new R2 'Killer' - still some people make it a hobby to nit-pick and look for problems when there aren't any...
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Great news but from what ive read on here MIA are not to great so im sticking with my Anchor Bay copy till there are some reviews about. Then i will make my mide up. Im still waiting for ''The Killer'' form CD WOW:(
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Unlucky Alf: I'm still waiting aswell - got a nice email telling me that I should get my copy before 30th Novemeber :(
Rag
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CD-WOW has just dispated my 'The Killer'. :)
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So this R2 edition of the Killer is the best available then?
I have a measly R0 version of it, not pirated but pretty sucky and barebones.
Got Better Tomorrow I & II but also not that good.
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Originally posted by monkeyWRENCH
CD-WOW has just dispated my 'The Killer'. :)
and mine:)
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Definitely going to hang fire on this until good reports come in; don't trust MIA at all - my AB copies will do just fine until then.
2 discs doesn't necessarily equate to quality in my book.
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Originally posted by Lenny Nero
So this R2 edition of the Killer is the best available then?
I have a measly R0 version of it, not pirated but pretty sucky and barebones.
Got Better Tomorrow I & II but also not that good.
HKL 'The Killer' ROCKS - don't think twice, jus' git it!
As for 'Better Tomorrow' 1 & 2, both are available on excellent R1 Anchor Bay discs at the mo' BUT part 2 will be forthcoming from HKL, so you might want to hold on...
I too DO NOT TRUST MIA!!!
:smokin:
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I just bought A Better Tomorrow (Anchor Bay) R1 last month, after owning MIA's first (very poor) release that I picked up for a fiver in HMV. :(
I am going to wait to see some reviews before I upgrade my disc yet again.
I just hope Hong Kong Legends hurry up with the sequel and Bullet in the Head.
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MIA's release of The Duel was fairly good though, but the second disc was really rather pointless.
They could (and should!) have put all the special features on the first disc.
I hate the film, though.
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Stormriders was also pretty good, although it was only Non anamorphic.
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Originally posted by Troll
As for 'Better Tomorrow' 1 & 2, both are available on excellent R1 Anchor Bay discs at the mo'
You must have some rare version of Anchor Bay's A Better Tomorrow - my copy has a half assed video transfer and a soundtrack that features a total drop out in the first couple of minutes. Oh, and nothing in the way of extras. Excellent? I think not.
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Oh yes! :clap:
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Originally posted by Troll
What did HKL fail to do with 'The Killer' - release a crap quality, MIA-style disc?!?
:confused:
Err no, release a 2nd disc. :rolleyes:
I agree with you - there's absolutely nothing wrong with the new R2 'Killer' - still some people make it a hobby to nit-pick and look for problems when there aren't any...
Despite the fault issues with the sound which arent present on any of the other releases ?.
The HKL release might be the best version released so far, but to say 'there's absolutely nothing wrong' with it is far from accurate.
Anyway I was talking about the lack of 2nd disc which HKL would have us believe there isnt a market for. I think MIA should at least be given some credit for that.
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Err no, release a 2nd disc. :rolleyes:
Despite the fault issues with the sound which arent present on any of the other releases ?.
The HKL release might be the best version released so far, but to say 'there's absolutely nothing wrong' with it is far from accurate.
Anyway I was talking about the lack of 2nd disc which HKL would have us believe there isnt a market for. I think MIA should at least be given some credit for that.
I think that the second disc will be similar to other 2 disc MIA releases, i.e. Full Frame English version of the film. There certainly aren't enough extras in the press release to warrant a second disc.
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Anyway I was talking about the lack of 2nd disc which HKL would have us believe there isnt a market for. I think MIA should at least be given some credit for that.
Depends entirely on what it contains - if it's a 2nd disc with nothing but filler then MIA should be criticised (as should other guilty studios)
If, on the other hand, it's choc-full of worthwhile, interesting & well thought out extra material, supplementing the stunning audio/video transfer that resides on disc 1, then there will be cause for much celebration, maybe even a street party.
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Despite the fault issues with the sound which arent present on any of the other releases ?.
No sound issues here
:confused:
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Originally posted by sidebog7
I think that the second disc will be similar to other 2 disc MIA releases, i.e. Full Frame English version of the film. There certainly aren't enough extras in the press release to warrant a second disc.
It goes by the title of 2-disc collectors edition, surely they wouldnt call it that if it was 2-discs with the same movie on ?.
At least MIA got some Chow Yun Fat intereviews which again HKL failed to deliver on.
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Originally posted by MattCapes
You must have some rare version of Anchor Bay's A Better Tomorrow - my copy has a half assed video transfer and a soundtrack that features a total drop out in the first couple of minutes. Oh, and nothing in the way of extras. Excellent? I think not.
No, you may well have the rare version - this disc was recalled after it's initial run & re-pressed...
Due to advancing age (& alcohol dependency!) my memory's not wonderful but I seem to recall that the original pressing had ENTIRELY the wrong musical score...
Either way, I've not seen a BETTER version than the Anchor Bay disc - have you?
Even "excellent" can be subjective...
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Originally posted by Troll
No, you may well have the rare version - this disc was recalled after it's initial run & re-pressed...
Due to advancing age (& alcohol dependency!) my memory's not wonderful but I seem to recall that the original pressing had ENTIRELY the wrong musical score...
Either way, I've not seen a BETTER version than the Anchor Bay disc - have you?
Even "excellent" can be subjective...
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No i believe all of AB's ABT have the sound drop out at the start. But as you said its by far the best version availble and i dont really trust MIA.
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
It goes by the title of 2-disc collectors edition, surely they wouldnt call it that if it was 2-discs with the same movie on ?.
At least MIA got some Chow Yun Fat intereviews which again HKL failed to deliver on.
Stormriders has the original version (Director's cut?) in OAR and Cantonese and the extras on one disc and the 90 minute international version fullscreen and English on the other.
A Man Called Hero has the widescreen version with English subtitles and full screen English version on disc one and the extras on the other.
These are both Collectors editions. I realise that the second version of the films are different but I think that most collectors wouldn't watch them more than once (and then only out of curiosity).
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
It goes by the title of 2-disc collectors edition, surely they wouldnt call it that if it was 2-discs with the same movie on ?.
At least MIA got some Chow Yun Fat intereviews which again HKL failed to deliver on. Curiously there's some cool <I>A Better Tomorrow</i> related footage, on Tartan's SE Boxset of <I>Hard Boiled</i> (VHS), of Chow Yun Fat (during his first trip to UK?) demonstrating how he did the "blood pouring from nose" technique in the film as well as interviews with Ti Lung and others from around the same time. This would be great to include on the DVD.
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Originally posted by Troll
No, you may well have the rare version - this disc was recalled after it's initial run & re-pressed...
Either way, I've not seen a BETTER version than the Anchor Bay disc - have you?
Even "excellent" can be subjective...
No, I have the mono version, the repress and it has a 10 second sound drop out - as does yours... :)
On DVD? No. But there isn't a lot of competition - but it still certainly isn't excellent - even compared against the few competitors it has it only comes out as okay.
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Originally posted by john316
:eek: - could MIA finally realise what a market there is for well produced HK DVDs
MIA are a UK company. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Gary Cowell
Curiously there's some cool A Better Tomorrow related footage, on Tartan's SE Boxset of Hard Boiled (VHS), of Chow Yun Fat (during his first trip to UK?) demonstrating how he did the "blood pouring from nose" technique in the film as well as interviews with Ti Lung and others from around the same time. This would be great to include on the DVD.
That sounds like the footage that is included on the MIA 'A Better Tomorrow' VHS Boxset they released years back. I'm pretty sure all of that and more is on the 'Cinema of Vengeance' VHS release that is available (possibly on DVD as well by now).
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Originally posted by Paul490
MIA are a UK company. :rolleyes:
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Erm...your point being?
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Originally posted by Narshty
Erm...your point being?
My point being that it sounds like DVDs made for HK, not DVDs of HK films to be sold in the UK.
Though better DVDs from HK would be good too.
Yes. Pedant, I know. I'll get my coat. ;)
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Originally posted by Paul490
Yes. Pedant, I know. I'll get my coat. ;)
And be sure the door doesn't slam your arse on the way out! :)
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Originally posted by Narshty
And be sure the door doesn't slam your arse on the way out! :)
Is that right? ;)
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Originally posted by MattCapes
...but it still certainly isn't excellent - even compared against the few competitors it has it only comes out as okay.
If it excels, i.e. it surpasses others of a similar nature (and we've established that it hasn't been superseded as yet on DVD), it is by definition excellent...
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:lol:
Indulging in a bit of the ol' pedantry, idi--... mate? :D
I am a pedant. I'm sure you all know this.
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Originally posted by Paul490
I am a _____________. I'm sure you all know this.
I've thought of a new game...
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Originally posted by Narshty
I've thought of a new game...
Please tell.
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Originally posted by Paul490
:lol:
Indulging in a bit of the ol' pedantry, idi--... mate? :D
Steady there Paulie, you know what happened last time... ;)
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Originally posted by Troll
Steady there Paulie, you know what happened last time... ;)
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You encouraged him?
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Originally posted by Narshty
You encouraged him?
Are you in 'Paulie's gang' then?
You're up late on a school night...
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Originally posted by Troll
Steady there Paulie, you know what happened last time... ;)
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Ha ha ha ha...
Yeah, I remember.
Watch it, you. ;)
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Mate, there's a recent post at the other place. Could you post it here for us?
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About 2 weeks ago i got a mate who lives in Hong Kong to send over a better tomorrow 1+2 on DVD what bad timing that was.
And i still aint had them yet. Costing me £20 for the two so it is'nt that bad.:eek: :eek: :mad: :mad:
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£10 each? Bit of a rip-off there mate.
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Originally posted by Paul490
£10 each? Bit of a rip-off there mate.
Nice one Paul; that's both constructive AND bound to make Rocky feel better... :oh-hum:
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Originally posted by Troll
Nice one Paul; that's both constructive AND bound to make Rocky feel better...
But it is correct. :)
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Originally posted by Paul490
But it is correct. :)
JUUUUUSSSSTTT GOOOOO AWAAAAYYYYY!
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Originally posted by Thomasd
JUUUUUSSSSTTT GOOOOO AWAAAAYYYYY!
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Originally posted by Troll
If it excels, i.e. it surpasses others of a similar nature (and we've established that it hasn't been superseded as yet on DVD), it is by definition excellent...
Or to take the other dictionary definition; "Of the highest or finest quality" - something it certainly isn't.
Let's put it another way - were I to review that disc and in any way refer to it as "excellent" I'd be doing an injustice to the readers. Anyone who bought that disc believing it to be excellent based on your post would, I think, have a perfect right to hunt you down and make you eat your hat. ;)
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Originally posted by MattCapes
Or to take the other dictionary definition; "Of the highest or finest quality" - something it certainly isn't.
Let's put it another way - were I to review that disc and in any way refer to it as "excellent" I'd be doing an injustice to the readers. Anyone who bought that disc believing it to be excellent based on your post would, I think, have a perfect right to hunt you down and make you eat your hat. ;)
Firstly, I didn't use your 'other' definition (took you a while to look it up, didn't it?) - what I wrote stands, live with it...
Secondly, anybody who buys ANY disc based on someone's opinion deserves all they get, good or bad - it's just an opinion...
Thirdly, I suggest you give your Anchor Bay 'A Better Tomorrow' to RockyWilcox - I'll keep mine, it's excellent...
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Originally posted by Thomasd
JUUUUUSSSSTTT GOOOOO AWAAAAYYYYY!
PLEASE SHUT UP.
Thank you so much.
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Originally posted by Troll
Secondly, anybody who buys ANY disc based on someone's opinion deserves all they get, good or bad - it's just an opinion...
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Actually theres alot of times where I fully rely on other peoples opinions, you have no choice but too where foreign cinema is concerned.
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Actually theres alot of times where I fully rely on other peoples opinions, you have no choice but too where foreign cinema is concerned.
Well that's up to you, isn't it?!?
I didn't say you SHOULDN'T buy based on the opinion of another, just that the outcome can go either way (based on how synchronous your opinions are)...
If you trust someone's taste/opinion, fine, but how well do you know these, or any other, forum members?
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Everyones opinions count. Except 490's:p
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Originally posted by Troll
Well that's up to you, isn't it?!?
I didn't say you SHOULDN'T buy based on the opinion of another, just that the outcome can go either way (based on how synchronous your opinions are)...
If you trust someone's taste/opinion, fine, but how well do you know these, or any other, forum members?
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Well enough to buy the overall majority of my dvds blind.
But I fail to see your point, how can you not buy something based on peoples opinions ?. You need an independant opinion to begin with before you can make up your mind as to whether or not you will like a film in the first place.
Luckerly there are a number of reviewers and posters to this and other forums whos opinions are drawn up by having an advanced knowledge of the type of films they chose to review. They may not always get everything right and there are occasions when I may disagree but I'd trust their opinions more than the Ross's or any major film publication.
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Originally posted by Troll
Firstly, I didn't use your 'other' definition (took you a while to look it up, didn't it?) - what I wrote stands, live with it...
Secondly, anybody who buys ANY disc based on someone's opinion deserves all they get, good or bad - it's just an opinion...
Thirdly, I suggest you give your Anchor Bay 'A Better Tomorrow' to RockyWilcox - I'll keep mine, it's excellent...
Firstly, no, it didn't.
Secondly, anyone who buys something based on a single opinion risks being disappointed - whihc is why I added my opinion to yours to offer a more balanced view.
Thirdly, thanks for the advice, but I think I'll keep it, after all it's an excellent film - if only an average disc.
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Originally posted by Troll
Secondly, anybody who buys ANY disc based on someone's opinion deserves all they get, good or bad - it's just an opinion...
Without people spreading the word, small movies like Donnie Darko, Memento and co would never be seen simply cos they never get full scale cinema releases.
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Originally posted by john316
Without people spreading the word, small movies like Donnie Darko, Memento and co would never be seen simply cos they never get full scale cinema releases.
Read my lips:
I'm not saying DON'T buy/watch it...
I'm saying:
WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE IT WILL DEPEND ON YOU HAVING SIMILAR TASTE TO THE PERSON WHOSE OPINION YOU LISTENED TO!!!
Jeez... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Jimmyboy
You need an independant opinion to begin with before you can make up your mind as to whether or not you will like a film in the first place...
No, I decide whether or not I like a film by...
...wait for it...
...it's worth it, hold on...
WATCHING IT!!!
Radical concept, no?!? :lol:
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I have completely lost the entire point of your point?
We are saying that you go the cinema or buy a DVD based partially on the opinions of others. You seem to be saying that only us personally can tell if a film is good.
These are 2 completely different points unless you are in another world completely?
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Originally posted by john316
I have completely lost the entire point of your point?
We are saying that you go the cinema or buy a DVD based partially on the opinions of others. You seem to be saying that only us personally can tell if a film is good.
These are 2 completely different points unless you are in another world completely?
Ok, I'll do this REAL S L O W...
If you watch a film based on another's opinion you will, after watching that film, either AGREE or DISAGREE with whomever you listened to...
Yes, only YOU can tell whether YOU like a film (surprise, surprise) - that's why YOU watch them...
"You seem to be saying that only us personally can tell if a film is good."
Uh, yeah... do YOU need someone to TELL you if a film is good?!? :confused:
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Originally posted by Troll
Ok, I'll do this REAL S L O W...
If you watch a film based on another's opinion you will, after watching that film, either AGREE or DISAGREE with whomever you listened to...
Yes, only YOU can tell whether YOU like a film (surprise, surprise) - that's why YOU watch them...
"You seem to be saying that only us personally can tell if a film is good."
Uh, yeah... do YOU need someone to TELL you if a film is good?!? :confused:
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Erm, we don't have 24/7 to watch movies at the cinema, on DVD and on the TV - so we use these people called 'Movie Critics' who write something called 'reviews'. These tell us about the movie and gives us, the potential viewer an insight into the film and whether we are likely to enjoy it. We also ask people who have seen the movie and ask them their opinions on the film! These people are called 'Viewers'
Perhaps you haven't heard of these things in the movie viewing world - if not, then check them out, they are really useful! :eek:
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Originally posted by john316
Erm, we don't have 24/7 to watch movies at the cinema, on DVD and on the TV - so we use these people called 'Movie Critics' who write something called 'reviews'. These tell us about the movie and gives us, the potential viewer an insight into the film and whether we are likely to enjoy it. We also ask people who have seen the movie and ask them their opinions on the film! These people are called 'Viewers'
Perhaps you haven't heard of these things in the movie viewing world - if not, then check them out, they are really useful! :eek:
So if I tell you a film is good, does that make it good? :confused:
Watch films yourself to decide if YOU like them.
(It's not a difficult point to grasp.)
You need to be told by '...Movie Critics...' or "...people who have seen the movie..." whether you like a film, yeah?
Can you not understand that a 'review' is simply one person's opinion?!?
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:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:
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Originally posted by Troll
You need to be told by '...Movie Critics...' or "...people who have seen the movie..." whether you like a film, yeah?
I certainly will use their opinion to influence whether I see the movie or not as do the majority of film watchers! That way, I don't waste my time and money on the abysmal movies that come our way. Did you know that there happends to be thousands of movies released in a year - surprisingly it really helps to take opinions onboard over whether we should see them! :eek:
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Up for pre order at play.
http://www.playserver3.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=110119
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Originally posted by john316
I certainly will use their opinion to influence whether I see the movie or not as do the majority of film watchers!
I think you'll find the majority of intelligent film-watchers will take subject matter, plot info, cast, director etc. into account when deciding whether to watch something...
I know I do.
Then I make up MY OWN MIND as to whether I like it!
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REVIEW:
http://www.chud.com/chudvd/reviews/abt.php3
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Originally posted by Garry Cowell
Curiously there's some cool <I>A Better Tomorrow</i> related footage, on Tartan's SE Boxset of <I>Hard Boiled</i> (VHS), of Chow Yun Fat (during his first trip to UK?) demonstrating how he did the "blood pouring from nose" technique in the film as well as interviews with Ti Lung and others from around the same time. This would be great to include on the DVD. Looks like I presumed correctly! :D
Review's online at chud.com (http://www.chud.com/chudvd/reviews/abt.php3)
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Surprise, surprise the disc tech specs look a little under par - a DD 2.0 track only? It clearly isn't the original audio so why not go the whole way and release it as DD 5.1? :oh-hum:
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It looks ok to me.
The only thing thats disapointing is the lack of extra features. I don't think any of us were expecting an excellent transfer by any stretch of the imagination and considering the reviewer only gave The Killer HKL 6.5/10 for the transfer it might be surprisingly good. The original audiotrack was mono so Im not gonna complain about the lack of DD5.1.
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