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Received my copy of Babylon 5 today.:clap: :clap:
However during the second episode 'soul hunter' I have a problem. When Delenn is in her quarters explaining about the 'Soul hunters' a get a major lip sync problem. Any one else have this problem.
Haven't got this yet, was waiting to see which was the best set after all the hoo haa dies down... which region do you have?
Jamin
Originally posted by jaminblack
Haven't got this yet, was waiting to see which was the best set after all the hoo haa dies down... which region do you have?
Jamin
He'll have the R2 - probably from DVD.co.uk.
Sorry. Should have been clearer. Yes its the R2 version
Originally posted by Ridcully
Received my copy of Babylon 5 today.:clap: :clap:
However during the second episode 'soul hunter' I have a problem. When Delenn is in her quarters explaining about the 'Soul hunters' a get a major lip sync problem. Any one else have this problem.
Mine arrived this morning. I'll check it out if you can let me know whereabouts exactly (timewise) this bit is.
How is the picture quality and SFX. Is it sharp and not grainy. Thanks :)
Originally posted by Fidney
Mine arrived this morning. I'll check it out if you can let me know whereabouts exactly (timewise) this bit is.
Disc 1, episode 2 'soul hunter'
8:38 "Not every soul, only those they consider...." actually the previous line at 8:21 also looks to be slightly out as well be the 8:38 one is very wrong
Cheers for checking
Picture quality is a bit grainy in places, particularly the areas DVD doesn't handle well ie darks and smoke effects. But better than my recordings of off Sci Fi. Also its 1.78 and doesn't have a damn logo in the top right corner so I'm happy.
Just tried it on my Pioneer DV-454, Videologic Digitheatre DTS - and it is there just where you said it would be.
The phrase "They've always taken particular interest in certain classes of Minbari" stands out. Just a touch out but very noticable.
:(
Maybe it's just a bad dub of those lines?
I got mine this morning, but my Wife immediately nabbed it, as it's my birthday present, and I'm not due to get it for another couple of weeks. :(
Originally posted by Stephen Robertson
Maybe it's just a bad dub of those lines?
I got mine this morning, but my Wife immediately nabbed it, as it's my birthday present, and I'm not due to get it for another couple of weeks. :(
LOL :D
Anticipation is such sweet agony :)
I'm sure I preordered this from Play...Have to check my status!!:eek:
Originally posted by Thornastor
How is the picture quality and SFX. Is it sharp and not grainy. Thanks :)
Any one else notice the amount of print damage that is evident on some of the episodes (especially episode 1 : Midnight on the Firing Line)
You would've thought they could have re-mastered the source material before pressing the master copy. :(
Originally posted by Thornastor
How is the picture quality and SFX. Is it sharp and not grainy. Thanks :) Its quite sharp, there is some grain, but it looks much better then "In the Beginning"/"The gathering"Comparing to some other tv series transfers, it looks better then TNG(S1-4), which obviously have had some quite strong noise filtering applied to them, better then Buffy S1-3, and better then 24 with its masses of edge enhancement. Its not up to the nigh on perfect transfers of Buffy S4 and Angel S1/2, but what tv series are?
There is some aliasing on the cgi shots, probably an unavoidable side effect of scaling it up. If you want to spot it, the rotating section of B5 is a perfect breeding ground for aliasing(fairly slow up/down movement with horizontal detail). Other then this the CGI shots are better then you've ever seen them before.
SFX: Some good use of split surrounds in gunfights/ship battles, as well as obviously for the obligatory ship fly bys. Bass put to good use where neccessary without sounding out of place.
Has anyone else noticed the lip-synch problem?
I just want to know if it is only apaprent on certain DVD players or if it is the discs themselves.
Thanks for the info Mr Nice. I have still not decided yet on buying it as of the possible lip sync problem?
Originally posted by 8-]
Has anyone else noticed the lip-synch problem?
I just want to know if it is only apaprent on certain DVD players or if it is the discs themselves. Can't say I noticed, and I watched the first 3 DVDs. I'll check the scene in Soul Hunter mentioned again, but if its just limited to a couple of lines in one scene, its probably from ADR, not from the audio being out of sync. Anyone got an ancient VHS copy still hanging around to compare?
What's ADR? :confused: Do you mean that the source itself is like that?
It's not the end of the world and is not amazingly noticable unless you're watching very closely IMO :)
Originally posted by 8-]
What's ADR? :confused: Do you mean that the source itself is like that? Basically, yes. ADR is "Additional Dialogue Recording," basically, dialogue recorded later as opposed to on set. Can be done for any of a number of reasons, if the onset recording is unusable for some reason(maybe some background noise), to change the tone of voice/delivery(Joss Whedon mentions in the commentary that Sarahs lines in her very first scene with Giles(I think) were ADR for this reasion, can't remember the exact details), or even to change a line. If the timing of the delivery is slightly different to the original, then it won't lip sync. If a line is changed of course, lip sync is virtually impossible.
Originally posted by Mr Nice
Basically, yes. ADR is "Additional Dialogue Recording," basically, dialogue recorded later as opposed to on set. Can be done for any of a number of reasons, if the onset recording is unusable for some reason(maybe some background noise), to change the tone of voice/delivery(Joss Whedon mentions in the commentary that Sarahs lines in her very first scene with Giles(I think) were ADR for this reasion, can't remember the exact details), or even to change a line. If the timing of the delivery is slightly different to the original, then it won't lip sync. If a line is changed of course, lip sync is virtually impossible.
Thanks for the head up :) You learn a new thing every day on teh Forums
IIRC Delenn is mouthing the same words as we can hear in the scene in question ("They've always taken particular interest in certain classes of Minbari") so it could well be ADR like you said.
Also known as 'looping'. :D
Does anyone think they've made the credits 'wider'? I'm sure they just used to be 16:9 whereas now we have black bars top and bottom on the anamorphic print. Looks like they've matted it a bit more to keep that cinematic feel!! :)
(Oh and :mad: post-office - it only just arrived today. :( )
Mr Nice is basically right, but ADR stands for Automatic Dialogue Replacement, not Additional Dialogue Recording!
Originally posted by TheoGB
Does anyone think they've made the credits 'wider'? I'm sure they just used to be 16:9 whereas now we have black bars top and bottom on the anamorphic print. Looks like they've matted it a bit more to keep that cinematic feel!! :) I did note that the credits were wider then 16:9(not 2.35 wide though), but its been yonks since I've seen the original 4:3 credits, so don't know what aspect ratio the credits were originally letterboxed to.
Originally posted by Julian K
Mr Nice is basically right, but ADR stands for Automatic Dialogue Replacement, not Additional Dialogue Recording! Well, I saw my translation of ADR somewhere or other on the net, for all the difference it makes:p. But AFK ADR isn't just used to "replace" dialog, but sometimes to add dialog which was never there in the first place, Buffy (again;)) has an example of this, theres a first season ep where Giles and Buffy continue their conversation by a couple of lines over a scene transistion, and those 2 lines werent in the original script and were added by ADR later.
The vast majority of the time ADR is used to "replace" (re-record) dialogue recorded on-set which, for whatever reason, isn't useable. It's a system that "automates" the old process of looping. Hence "Automatic Dialogue Replacement"!
"Additional Dialogue Recording" is commonly used, but it's not the official title. :p
DP
Originally posted by Julian K
The vast majority of the time ADR is used to "replace" (re-record) dialogue recorded on-set which, for whatever reason, isn't useable. It's a system that "automates" the old process of looping. Hence "Automatic Dialogue Replacement"!
"Additional Dialogue Recording" is commonly used, but it's not the official title. :p Heh, I can just imagine a standards committee somewhere deciding on what various abbreviations really are "officially" abbreviations of;).
Originally posted by Julian K
Mr Nice is basically right, but ADR stands for Automatic Dialogue Replacement, not Additional Dialogue Recording! Well, I just thought I'd bump this thread up again to mention that Phillipa Boyens calls it "Additional Dialogue Recording" in the commentary of LOTR, I'm sure Peter Jackson(who's on the same commentary track) would have corrected her if she was wrong;).
There are twice as many references to "Automatic Dialogue Replacement" than there are to "Additional Dialogue Recording" if you search on Google.
Can you find "Additional Dialogue Recording" in anyAcronym Index?
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?acronym=adr&String=exact&page=3
Face it: Phillipa Boyens and Peter Jackson are just as ill-informed as you are! ;)
[Listening to the third LOTR commentary ATM!]
Originally posted by Julian K
There are twice as many references to "Automatic Dialogue Replacement" than there are to "Additional Dialogue Recording" if you search on Google. Now thats a blatant lie, according to googlefight (http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=Additional+Dialogue+Recording&q2=Automatic+Dialogue+Replacement&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us) "Additional Dialogue Recording" has 128,000 results results and "Automatic Dialogue Replacement" has 20,600 results, 6:1 the other way around;), don't make up easily checkable "facts":p.
That googlefight link doesn't look for phrases, it looks for keywords (ie, where those words appear in close relation to each other, but not necesarily one after the other).
If you use a proper search engine, and put the phrases in quotation marks you'll get a more accurate figure.
Fun resource though!
Did you find an acronym index with "Additional Dialogue Recording" in it? ;)
However during the second episode 'soul hunter' I have a problem. When Delenn is in her quarters explaining about the 'Soul hunters' a get a major lip sync problem. Any one else have this problem.
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Haven't got this yet, was waiting to see which was the best set after all the hoo haa dies down... which region do you have?
Jamin
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Originally posted by jaminblack
Haven't got this yet, was waiting to see which was the best set after all the hoo haa dies down... which region do you have?
Jamin
He'll have the R2 - probably from DVD.co.uk.
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Sorry. Should have been clearer. Yes its the R2 version
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Originally posted by Ridcully
Received my copy of Babylon 5 today.:clap: :clap:
However during the second episode 'soul hunter' I have a problem. When Delenn is in her quarters explaining about the 'Soul hunters' a get a major lip sync problem. Any one else have this problem.
Mine arrived this morning. I'll check it out if you can let me know whereabouts exactly (timewise) this bit is.
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How is the picture quality and SFX. Is it sharp and not grainy. Thanks :)
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Originally posted by Fidney
Mine arrived this morning. I'll check it out if you can let me know whereabouts exactly (timewise) this bit is.
Disc 1, episode 2 'soul hunter'
8:38 "Not every soul, only those they consider...." actually the previous line at 8:21 also looks to be slightly out as well be the 8:38 one is very wrong
Cheers for checking
Picture quality is a bit grainy in places, particularly the areas DVD doesn't handle well ie darks and smoke effects. But better than my recordings of off Sci Fi. Also its 1.78 and doesn't have a damn logo in the top right corner so I'm happy.
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Just tried it on my Pioneer DV-454, Videologic Digitheatre DTS - and it is there just where you said it would be.
The phrase "They've always taken particular interest in certain classes of Minbari" stands out. Just a touch out but very noticable.
:(
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Maybe it's just a bad dub of those lines?
I got mine this morning, but my Wife immediately nabbed it, as it's my birthday present, and I'm not due to get it for another couple of weeks. :(
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Originally posted by Stephen Robertson
Maybe it's just a bad dub of those lines?
I got mine this morning, but my Wife immediately nabbed it, as it's my birthday present, and I'm not due to get it for another couple of weeks. :(
LOL :D
Anticipation is such sweet agony :)
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I'm sure I preordered this from Play...Have to check my status!!:eek:
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Originally posted by Thornastor
How is the picture quality and SFX. Is it sharp and not grainy. Thanks :)
Any one else notice the amount of print damage that is evident on some of the episodes (especially episode 1 : Midnight on the Firing Line)
You would've thought they could have re-mastered the source material before pressing the master copy. :(
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Originally posted by Thornastor
How is the picture quality and SFX. Is it sharp and not grainy. Thanks :) Its quite sharp, there is some grain, but it looks much better then "In the Beginning"/"The gathering"Comparing to some other tv series transfers, it looks better then TNG(S1-4), which obviously have had some quite strong noise filtering applied to them, better then Buffy S1-3, and better then 24 with its masses of edge enhancement. Its not up to the nigh on perfect transfers of Buffy S4 and Angel S1/2, but what tv series are?
There is some aliasing on the cgi shots, probably an unavoidable side effect of scaling it up. If you want to spot it, the rotating section of B5 is a perfect breeding ground for aliasing(fairly slow up/down movement with horizontal detail). Other then this the CGI shots are better then you've ever seen them before.
SFX: Some good use of split surrounds in gunfights/ship battles, as well as obviously for the obligatory ship fly bys. Bass put to good use where neccessary without sounding out of place.
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Has anyone else noticed the lip-synch problem?
I just want to know if it is only apaprent on certain DVD players or if it is the discs themselves.
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Thanks for the info Mr Nice. I have still not decided yet on buying it as of the possible lip sync problem?
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Originally posted by 8-]
Has anyone else noticed the lip-synch problem?
I just want to know if it is only apaprent on certain DVD players or if it is the discs themselves. Can't say I noticed, and I watched the first 3 DVDs. I'll check the scene in Soul Hunter mentioned again, but if its just limited to a couple of lines in one scene, its probably from ADR, not from the audio being out of sync. Anyone got an ancient VHS copy still hanging around to compare?
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What's ADR? :confused: Do you mean that the source itself is like that?
It's not the end of the world and is not amazingly noticable unless you're watching very closely IMO :)
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Originally posted by 8-]
What's ADR? :confused: Do you mean that the source itself is like that? Basically, yes. ADR is "Additional Dialogue Recording," basically, dialogue recorded later as opposed to on set. Can be done for any of a number of reasons, if the onset recording is unusable for some reason(maybe some background noise), to change the tone of voice/delivery(Joss Whedon mentions in the commentary that Sarahs lines in her very first scene with Giles(I think) were ADR for this reasion, can't remember the exact details), or even to change a line. If the timing of the delivery is slightly different to the original, then it won't lip sync. If a line is changed of course, lip sync is virtually impossible.
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Originally posted by Mr Nice
Basically, yes. ADR is "Additional Dialogue Recording," basically, dialogue recorded later as opposed to on set. Can be done for any of a number of reasons, if the onset recording is unusable for some reason(maybe some background noise), to change the tone of voice/delivery(Joss Whedon mentions in the commentary that Sarahs lines in her very first scene with Giles(I think) were ADR for this reasion, can't remember the exact details), or even to change a line. If the timing of the delivery is slightly different to the original, then it won't lip sync. If a line is changed of course, lip sync is virtually impossible.
Thanks for the head up :) You learn a new thing every day on teh Forums
IIRC Delenn is mouthing the same words as we can hear in the scene in question ("They've always taken particular interest in certain classes of Minbari") so it could well be ADR like you said.
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Also known as 'looping'. :D
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Does anyone think they've made the credits 'wider'? I'm sure they just used to be 16:9 whereas now we have black bars top and bottom on the anamorphic print. Looks like they've matted it a bit more to keep that cinematic feel!! :)
(Oh and :mad: post-office - it only just arrived today. :( )
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Mr Nice is basically right, but ADR stands for Automatic Dialogue Replacement, not Additional Dialogue Recording!
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Originally posted by TheoGB
Does anyone think they've made the credits 'wider'? I'm sure they just used to be 16:9 whereas now we have black bars top and bottom on the anamorphic print. Looks like they've matted it a bit more to keep that cinematic feel!! :) I did note that the credits were wider then 16:9(not 2.35 wide though), but its been yonks since I've seen the original 4:3 credits, so don't know what aspect ratio the credits were originally letterboxed to.
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Originally posted by Julian K
Mr Nice is basically right, but ADR stands for Automatic Dialogue Replacement, not Additional Dialogue Recording! Well, I saw my translation of ADR somewhere or other on the net, for all the difference it makes:p. But AFK ADR isn't just used to "replace" dialog, but sometimes to add dialog which was never there in the first place, Buffy (again;)) has an example of this, theres a first season ep where Giles and Buffy continue their conversation by a couple of lines over a scene transistion, and those 2 lines werent in the original script and were added by ADR later.
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The vast majority of the time ADR is used to "replace" (re-record) dialogue recorded on-set which, for whatever reason, isn't useable. It's a system that "automates" the old process of looping. Hence "Automatic Dialogue Replacement"!
"Additional Dialogue Recording" is commonly used, but it's not the official title. :p
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DP
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Originally posted by Julian K
The vast majority of the time ADR is used to "replace" (re-record) dialogue recorded on-set which, for whatever reason, isn't useable. It's a system that "automates" the old process of looping. Hence "Automatic Dialogue Replacement"!
"Additional Dialogue Recording" is commonly used, but it's not the official title. :p Heh, I can just imagine a standards committee somewhere deciding on what various abbreviations really are "officially" abbreviations of;).
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Originally posted by Julian K
Mr Nice is basically right, but ADR stands for Automatic Dialogue Replacement, not Additional Dialogue Recording! Well, I just thought I'd bump this thread up again to mention that Phillipa Boyens calls it "Additional Dialogue Recording" in the commentary of LOTR, I'm sure Peter Jackson(who's on the same commentary track) would have corrected her if she was wrong;).
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There are twice as many references to "Automatic Dialogue Replacement" than there are to "Additional Dialogue Recording" if you search on Google.
Can you find "Additional Dialogue Recording" in anyAcronym Index?
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?acronym=adr&String=exact&page=3
Face it: Phillipa Boyens and Peter Jackson are just as ill-informed as you are! ;)
[Listening to the third LOTR commentary ATM!]
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Originally posted by Julian K
There are twice as many references to "Automatic Dialogue Replacement" than there are to "Additional Dialogue Recording" if you search on Google. Now thats a blatant lie, according to googlefight (http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=Additional+Dialogue+Recording&q2=Automatic+Dialogue+Replacement&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us) "Additional Dialogue Recording" has 128,000 results results and "Automatic Dialogue Replacement" has 20,600 results, 6:1 the other way around;), don't make up easily checkable "facts":p.
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That googlefight link doesn't look for phrases, it looks for keywords (ie, where those words appear in close relation to each other, but not necesarily one after the other).
If you use a proper search engine, and put the phrases in quotation marks you'll get a more accurate figure.
Fun resource though!
Did you find an acronym index with "Additional Dialogue Recording" in it? ;)
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