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Hi all, anyone know how many of the movies in the James Bond collection box set are cut? and if so which ones. Many thanks for any help! :confused:
Tony :)
I'll move this to DVD & Movie Forum :)
melonfarmers.co.uk seems to make out that only goldeneye and tomorrow never dies were cut, license to kill was cut but is now uncut. looking at the bbfc site seems to paint a different picture.
Dr. No
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/c2fb077ba3f9b33980256b4f002da32c/a6d1a7459de40499802566c8002efa49?OpenDocument
From Russia With Love
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/5B3D47EEE9E38772802566C8003129BF?OpenDocument
Goldfinger
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/A1847E3CD867D1DB802566C80033EF9C?OpenDocument
Diamonds are Forever
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/4AC50CA473275ED38025660B0000FAB3?OpenDocument
A View to a Kill
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/229BAAFB82867FBE802566C800339240?OpenDocument
Goldeneye
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/C5A5362021FE248C80256A0F002AD80E?OpenDocument
Tomorrow Never Dies
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/13BC8F5E7EDD4AC48025660B003FA4E1?OpenDocument
Some of those earlier ones don't seem have cuts waived for video versions but also it doesn't state that they include film cuts so they might be OK, but goldeneye and tomorrow never dies are certainly cut.
Originally posted by allan
license to kill was cut but is now uncut.
By that, do they mean that the forthcoming 'Licence to Kill' DVD isn't the same as the previous one (which <u>was</u> cut)? I was under the impression that the new releases were exactly the same as the previous ones...
As far as i'm aware the last version of licence to kill had all the previous cuts waived.
Does any one know if On Her Majestys Secret Service will be the FULL version this time round or still the edited version.?
smithy20
I really want this box for Christmas and need to know which ones to replace and whether to go for R1 or R4 with the replacements. Thanks for the replies peeps, lots of research I need to do on this I reckon!!
Tony :)
official BBFC cuts were made to Goldeneye and TND. That's fact.
There was some talk about OHMSS and LTK being the wrong versions, but this applied to both R1 and R2/4
So the safest bet is R1
( Yes the R4s also contain the BBFC cuts on G & TND, sloppy )
Originally posted by allan
As far as i'm aware the last version of licence to kill had all the previous cuts waived.
Licence to kill did indeed have all previous cuts waived by the BBFC. The trouble is, MGM apparently put the old version on the SE dvd by mistake. Having avoided the R2, I wouldn't know if this was true. But other forum members will have the answer. I can vouch for Goldeneye and TND, though. Both are cut badly on UK dvd. Definitely region uno for these two, I'm afraid. And although R4 Goldeneye is uncut, R4 TND is the exact same cut version that we have on our UK dvd. Hope that helps.
EDIT: Damn. Looks like The Karate Kid got there before me! But Goldeneye R4 IS uncut, and R1 Licence to Kill is in better shape than the R2/4 version. R1 Licence may have had minor snips to remove a second or two of gore (I've seen a bloodier version), but if the UK dvd is the same as the cut UK vhs, then the R1 is light years ahead.
Actually I heard differently. I heard that the US R1 DVD of Licence to Kill was even more cut than the UK R2 copy as in both cases MGM submitted the wrong print for both regions, a massivly cut print for the R1 and a fairly cut print for the UK R2.
Originally posted by allan
melonfarmers.co.uk seems to make out that only goldeneye and tomorrow never dies were cut, license to kill was cut but is now uncut. looking at the bbfc site seems to paint a different picture.
Dr. No
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/c2fb077ba3f9b33980256b4f002da32c/a6d1a7459de40499802566c8002efa49?OpenDocument
From Russia With Love
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/5B3D47EEE9E38772802566C8003129BF?OpenDocument
Goldfinger
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/A1847E3CD867D1DB802566C80033EF9C?OpenDocument
Diamonds are Forever
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/4AC50CA473275ED38025660B0000FAB3?OpenDocument
A View to a Kill
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/229BAAFB82867FBE802566C800339240?OpenDocument
Goldeneye
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/C5A5362021FE248C80256A0F002AD80E?OpenDocument
Tomorrow Never Dies
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/13BC8F5E7EDD4AC48025660B003FA4E1?OpenDocument
Some of those earlier ones don't seem have cuts waived for video versions but also it doesn't state that they include film cuts so they might be OK, but goldeneye and tomorrow never dies are certainly cut. Oh come on, all of the pre view to a kill ones weren't even rated under the 18/15 etc system, and weren't submitted for video classification till the late 80's. I'll take melonfarmers word for it that they aren't cut, ta;).
But Goldeneye R4 IS uncut
Are you definately sure? If so I'll buy it.:)
So the R4 contains the Headbutt and the extra fight footage at the end?
Apparently Diamonds are Forever was pre-cut. Much of the violence in the opening scene was deemed too strong for a PG and thus was scaled down. As Diamonds was the return of Connery, the producers went 'balls out' trying to recapture some of the hard edge of the earlier bonds, seems they went too far...
I've never seen Diamonds any other way than it has been for the last 20 years.
I assume by pre-cut, you mean this uncut version has never been publicly available anywhere.
Originally posted by Captain_Chaos
Actually I heard differently. I heard that the US R1 DVD of Licence to Kill was even more cut than the UK R2 copy as in both cases MGM submitted the wrong print for both regions, a massivly cut print for the R1 and a fairly cut print for the UK R2.
Chaos, the R1 has had only minor snips from the bloodier cinema version. I haven't seen the region 2, but if it's the same as the pal vhs widescreen version, then we're talking entire scenes that have been cut, not a couple of seconds worth of missing material. But hey! I'm just speculating as to the status of the R2 version.
And Karate Kid, here is a Goldeneye SE R4 review from DVD.net.au that should please you.
http://www.dvd.net.au/review.cgi?review_id=522
Skip to the 'overall' section of the review to get the lowdown on the disc's uncut status.
The most noticable cut in Licence To Kill is the pre-credits scene where Sanchez whips his girlfriend. This was missing from previous UK videos I've seen but is in the UK DVD.
Thanx for the replies here people, anyone else getting the R2 box and replacing G, TND & LTK with other R's?
Tony :)
anyone know the cheapest place to buy the UK box set? I have only seen it at £199 :(
Originally posted by SAS
anyone know the cheapest place to buy the UK box set? I have only seen it at £199 :(
play.com for 169quid I think, and keep an eye on MVC for 10% off weekends, which tends to knock the price down alot.
Originally posted by Ol' Blue Eyes
The most noticable cut in Licence To Kill is the pre-credits scene where Sanchez whips his girlfriend. This was missing from previous UK videos I've seen but is in the UK DVD.
This scene was only cut from the first video release in the UK, the one that came out after the cinema screening. The later 90s releases had the scene re-inserted, before the DVD release. The scene is also on the R1 DVD.
The most noticable cut, possibly on both DVD regions is that Sanchez's flaming body at the end should last a bit longer.
That was certainly present on my NTSC video copy.
Originally posted by The Karate Kid
This scene was only cut from the first video release in the UK, the one that came out after the cinema screening. The later 90s releases had the scene re-inserted, before the DVD release.
You sure? The LTK video that I keep referencing is from my Bond vhs widescreen box set. And it's cut so badly it's sickening, including the pre-credits Sanchez whipping. The box came out in '95 or '96 I think (it includes GoldenEye), and the LTK video still suffered the cuts.
And as soon as I got into dvd the Bonds were on my list because of this LTK video, even though I'd shelled out loads for the vhs box set. I've now got them all on dvd (in a mixture of super cheap R4 and uncut R1), and I gave my dad the vhs box set. Everyone's a winner!
What is missing from the DVD of OHMSS and has it now been restored for the re-release ?
smithy20
This is an FAQ.
I've put a page up with the info I know anyway...
The Bond DVD Cuts (http://deadkenny.co.uk/bondcuts.htm) (note: could contain spoilers).
For what it's worth, I don't know if the new re-issues have cuts restored, but I'd bet that given the cuts in OHMSS are fairly large cuts, there'd be a bit of work to do new remasters and authoring (modifying the commentary tracks to fit, etc), and I'm betting all MGM are doing is repackaging the discs (far cheaper than having to author new discs).
You sure? The LTK video that I keep referencing is from my Bond vhs widescreen box set.
Yes but was that the first or the second widescreen VHS release? I think the second was uncut.
Originally posted by The Karate Kid
Yes but was that the first or the second widescreen VHS release? I think the second was uncut.
The earliest version that could have been uncut would have had to been after November 2000 as that was when the BBFC waived all previous cuts. It's quite possibel the widescreen VHS after that date was uncut, but was it the same as the DVD version?
The issue with the DVD is despite the BBFC waiving the cuts and allowing the full uncut version, MGM managed to accidentally use a cut version for their master and the same masters are used to author the discs worldwide (with tweaks for PAL and local issues). It was less cut than previous UK versions, but not cut enough. Apparently anyway.
There were only ever two cuts of note anyway. Having seen the uncut version and the cut version.
1. Sanchez whipping whatshername
2. His body burning for longer at the end.
More minor
3. Felix screams last longer
That's about it.
The pressure chamber scene being cut is a myth.
The pressure chamber cut I believe was just the blood splatter which was removed before. You never saw his head explode though.
Looking at some posts about on deja/usenet and from what I recall reading on some R1 DVD sites (don't have the links any more), it seems that the cut/uncut status stems from the US DVD being claimed to be cut due to a slip up. The US DVD came out before the R2 UK DVD, and apparently Holland (and Brazil?) has had the longer uncut (the "John Glen Cut") version on VHS. When the UK R2 came out it was assumed to be fully uncut because of what the BBFC said about waiving previous cuts, but then on review people said it was identical to the R1, which therefore leads to the conclusion that it is cut in some way (just that it's the most uncut that the UK has had).
All that said, I've seen some posts from back before the R2 came out saying that the US version was the version the BBFC 'waived' and was the version that turned up on VHS (and apparently on ITV a couple of times if you believe that! :eek: ). The conclusion then was that the DVD would be the same 'US' cut, but then the description of some of the cuts includes the mention of the blood splatter on the compression chamber, which is in the R2 I believe. Or then again, it may refer to a difference between an earlier non-SE of LTK in R1 and the SE in R1, one of which may be more cut than the other but both still cut and the R2 being the same as the SE in R1. :confused::confused:.
I think the slightly cut status of the R1 and r2 is sanchez burning at the end.
The rest all seems intact.
Well on the DVD commentry it says they had to cut the compresson chamber bit, so hhmm...
Oh and a mate of mine said he has seen the fully uncut print of LTK and he said that the Felix scene is "totally gross" so whatever has been cut is more than one might think, so it seems.
Back to the original question though...
Over in R1 the re-issue sets (due for release starting 22nd October 2002) are described over at DVD Reviewer (http://www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk/news/news.asp?Index=6100&Section=2) as being "... identical to the previous editions, currently withdrawn, and won't feature any new extras or new multi-channel sound mixes"
Originally posted by Captain_Chaos
Well on the DVD commentry it says they had to cut the compresson chamber bit, so hhmm...
Oh and a mate of mine said he has seen the fully uncut print of LTK and he said that the Felix scene is "totally gross" so whatever has been cut is more than one might think, so it seems.
A) that means the compression chamber cut was never made available anywhere
B) the extra felix bits are in the R1 edition, and it is a bit disturbing.
Originally posted by The Karate Kid
A) that means the compression chamber cut was never made available anywhere
B) the extra felix bits are in the R1 edition, and it is a bit disturbing.
So, does this mean that the R1 contains the uncut shark bait scene, where you actually see Leiter's leg bitten off (I seem to remember this being screened on ITV once?)?
Can anyone confirm for DEFINITE whether the R1 version is LESS CUT than the current R2 version??? If so, I'm going to be replacing my R2. Thanks.
You certainly see him being chomped on. But don't expect anything graphic like close ups.
I haven't seen the R2 so Have no idea how it compares to the R1
Originally posted by gooseUK
Can anyone confirm for DEFINITE whether the R1 version is LESS CUT than the current R2 version??? If so, I'm going to be replacing my R2. Thanks.
I was under the impression that the R2 SE is identical to the R1 SE, but still doesn't mean they're fully uncut (can't confirm or deny that, just that it's always been said the R1 is slightly cut and the R2 is the same).
I can't confirm for definite though as I don't have the R1.
I've heard that ITV have had two screenings of the fully uncut version (John Glen Cut).
Sadly, Leiter's bloody stump of a leg waving in the water has been excised from the R1 print of LTK. I was looking forward to that on dvd after watching the uncut version on ITV a couple of times, but even this slightly-cut dvd version is infinitely preferable after the atrocious vhs hack-job. I think I'll rent the R2 to see what state it's actually in.
When you do niceguygeoff can yu tell us for definate what is and isn't cut please?
Just checked my R2 and...
The pre-titles whipping is present. Can't tell if anything's cut but I can't see why anything would be. It's all very tame anyway. I guess it was just an objection to the concept rather than any graphic nature of it.
No leg stump waiving in the shark scene, though the whole sequence seems longer than the previous VHS version I had, but it does look a little cut with shots of people's reactions that don't match what you see. You do see the shark attacking though.
No head explosion in the compression chamber but you do see his head expand, hear the explosion, and see the blood on the glass.
Sanchez burning bit at the end doesn't seem to be particularly long, though I've not seen a longer cut so can't say.
Oh, by the way, my R2 is the French R2. I got it in the hope that it might be uncut (given the French R2s of Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies were uncut), but sadly not.
That French R2 sounds the same as the R1, which I watched last night incidentally. And one thing I've forgotten to mention about LTK is Benicio Del Toro's death scene. From what I remember the uncut version features a few frames of extra gore as he gets chomped up by the machine. Just FYI. I'll see if I can get the UK R2 in the next couple of days. It's probably the exact same disc as the French one, but what the hell!
Okay people. I just watched the R2 SE of Licence to Kill, and it's the exact same slightly-cut print used on the R1 - right down to the print damage! It has the exact same extras too, although there are less chapter stops on the R2. The decent menu music has been replaced as well on the R2.
BUT (and that's a big but) the two lines of dialogue (near the end of the movie) that are famously out of sync on the R1 are perfectly synched on the R2. Well I never! The transfer is sharper on the R2 as well, but I put that down to noted PAL/NTSC differences. Sadly, both transfers exhibit loads of haloing and aliasing over fine detail - perhaps more so on the sharper PAL version.
All in all, though, I'm pleasantly surprised.
basically it' s about as uncut as it will ever be, or needs to be for that matter.
Originally posted by The Karate Kid
basically it' s about as uncut as it will ever be, or needs to be for that matter.
That's the issue though, it's not as uncut as it should be. I'd heard that the fully uncut version was intended to be released by MGM. They slipped up and released the wrong one (same as they did with OHMSS). It's been passed by the BBFC so there's no reason why it can't be released.
Yes, but I've got the full uncut version on NTSC VHS, and it's nothing to write home about anyway.
Tony :)
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I'll move this to DVD & Movie Forum :)
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melonfarmers.co.uk seems to make out that only goldeneye and tomorrow never dies were cut, license to kill was cut but is now uncut. looking at the bbfc site seems to paint a different picture.
Dr. No
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/c2fb077ba3f9b33980256b4f002da32c/a6d1a7459de40499802566c8002efa49?OpenDocument
From Russia With Love
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/5B3D47EEE9E38772802566C8003129BF?OpenDocument
Goldfinger
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/A1847E3CD867D1DB802566C80033EF9C?OpenDocument
Diamonds are Forever
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/4AC50CA473275ED38025660B0000FAB3?OpenDocument
A View to a Kill
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/229BAAFB82867FBE802566C800339240?OpenDocument
Goldeneye
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/C5A5362021FE248C80256A0F002AD80E?OpenDocument
Tomorrow Never Dies
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/13BC8F5E7EDD4AC48025660B003FA4E1?OpenDocument
Some of those earlier ones don't seem have cuts waived for video versions but also it doesn't state that they include film cuts so they might be OK, but goldeneye and tomorrow never dies are certainly cut.
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Originally posted by allan
license to kill was cut but is now uncut.
By that, do they mean that the forthcoming 'Licence to Kill' DVD isn't the same as the previous one (which <u>was</u> cut)? I was under the impression that the new releases were exactly the same as the previous ones...
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As far as i'm aware the last version of licence to kill had all the previous cuts waived.
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Does any one know if On Her Majestys Secret Service will be the FULL version this time round or still the edited version.?
smithy20
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I really want this box for Christmas and need to know which ones to replace and whether to go for R1 or R4 with the replacements. Thanks for the replies peeps, lots of research I need to do on this I reckon!!
Tony :)
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official BBFC cuts were made to Goldeneye and TND. That's fact.
There was some talk about OHMSS and LTK being the wrong versions, but this applied to both R1 and R2/4
So the safest bet is R1
( Yes the R4s also contain the BBFC cuts on G & TND, sloppy )
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Originally posted by allan
As far as i'm aware the last version of licence to kill had all the previous cuts waived.
Licence to kill did indeed have all previous cuts waived by the BBFC. The trouble is, MGM apparently put the old version on the SE dvd by mistake. Having avoided the R2, I wouldn't know if this was true. But other forum members will have the answer. I can vouch for Goldeneye and TND, though. Both are cut badly on UK dvd. Definitely region uno for these two, I'm afraid. And although R4 Goldeneye is uncut, R4 TND is the exact same cut version that we have on our UK dvd. Hope that helps.
EDIT: Damn. Looks like The Karate Kid got there before me! But Goldeneye R4 IS uncut, and R1 Licence to Kill is in better shape than the R2/4 version. R1 Licence may have had minor snips to remove a second or two of gore (I've seen a bloodier version), but if the UK dvd is the same as the cut UK vhs, then the R1 is light years ahead.
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Actually I heard differently. I heard that the US R1 DVD of Licence to Kill was even more cut than the UK R2 copy as in both cases MGM submitted the wrong print for both regions, a massivly cut print for the R1 and a fairly cut print for the UK R2.
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Originally posted by allan
melonfarmers.co.uk seems to make out that only goldeneye and tomorrow never dies were cut, license to kill was cut but is now uncut. looking at the bbfc site seems to paint a different picture.
Dr. No
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/c2fb077ba3f9b33980256b4f002da32c/a6d1a7459de40499802566c8002efa49?OpenDocument
From Russia With Love
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/5B3D47EEE9E38772802566C8003129BF?OpenDocument
Goldfinger
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/A1847E3CD867D1DB802566C80033EF9C?OpenDocument
Diamonds are Forever
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/4AC50CA473275ED38025660B0000FAB3?OpenDocument
A View to a Kill
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/229BAAFB82867FBE802566C800339240?OpenDocument
Goldeneye
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/C5A5362021FE248C80256A0F002AD80E?OpenDocument
Tomorrow Never Dies
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/ClassifiedWorks/13BC8F5E7EDD4AC48025660B003FA4E1?OpenDocument
Some of those earlier ones don't seem have cuts waived for video versions but also it doesn't state that they include film cuts so they might be OK, but goldeneye and tomorrow never dies are certainly cut. Oh come on, all of the pre view to a kill ones weren't even rated under the 18/15 etc system, and weren't submitted for video classification till the late 80's. I'll take melonfarmers word for it that they aren't cut, ta;).
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But Goldeneye R4 IS uncut
Are you definately sure? If so I'll buy it.:)
So the R4 contains the Headbutt and the extra fight footage at the end?
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Apparently Diamonds are Forever was pre-cut. Much of the violence in the opening scene was deemed too strong for a PG and thus was scaled down. As Diamonds was the return of Connery, the producers went 'balls out' trying to recapture some of the hard edge of the earlier bonds, seems they went too far...
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I've never seen Diamonds any other way than it has been for the last 20 years.
I assume by pre-cut, you mean this uncut version has never been publicly available anywhere.
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Originally posted by Captain_Chaos
Actually I heard differently. I heard that the US R1 DVD of Licence to Kill was even more cut than the UK R2 copy as in both cases MGM submitted the wrong print for both regions, a massivly cut print for the R1 and a fairly cut print for the UK R2.
Chaos, the R1 has had only minor snips from the bloodier cinema version. I haven't seen the region 2, but if it's the same as the pal vhs widescreen version, then we're talking entire scenes that have been cut, not a couple of seconds worth of missing material. But hey! I'm just speculating as to the status of the R2 version.
And Karate Kid, here is a Goldeneye SE R4 review from DVD.net.au that should please you.
http://www.dvd.net.au/review.cgi?review_id=522
Skip to the 'overall' section of the review to get the lowdown on the disc's uncut status.
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The most noticable cut in Licence To Kill is the pre-credits scene where Sanchez whips his girlfriend. This was missing from previous UK videos I've seen but is in the UK DVD.
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Thanx for the replies here people, anyone else getting the R2 box and replacing G, TND & LTK with other R's?
Tony :)
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anyone know the cheapest place to buy the UK box set? I have only seen it at £199 :(
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Originally posted by SAS
anyone know the cheapest place to buy the UK box set? I have only seen it at £199 :(
play.com for 169quid I think, and keep an eye on MVC for 10% off weekends, which tends to knock the price down alot.
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Originally posted by Ol' Blue Eyes
The most noticable cut in Licence To Kill is the pre-credits scene where Sanchez whips his girlfriend. This was missing from previous UK videos I've seen but is in the UK DVD.
This scene was only cut from the first video release in the UK, the one that came out after the cinema screening. The later 90s releases had the scene re-inserted, before the DVD release. The scene is also on the R1 DVD.
The most noticable cut, possibly on both DVD regions is that Sanchez's flaming body at the end should last a bit longer.
That was certainly present on my NTSC video copy.
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Originally posted by The Karate Kid
This scene was only cut from the first video release in the UK, the one that came out after the cinema screening. The later 90s releases had the scene re-inserted, before the DVD release.
You sure? The LTK video that I keep referencing is from my Bond vhs widescreen box set. And it's cut so badly it's sickening, including the pre-credits Sanchez whipping. The box came out in '95 or '96 I think (it includes GoldenEye), and the LTK video still suffered the cuts.
And as soon as I got into dvd the Bonds were on my list because of this LTK video, even though I'd shelled out loads for the vhs box set. I've now got them all on dvd (in a mixture of super cheap R4 and uncut R1), and I gave my dad the vhs box set. Everyone's a winner!
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What is missing from the DVD of OHMSS and has it now been restored for the re-release ?
smithy20
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This is an FAQ.
I've put a page up with the info I know anyway...
The Bond DVD Cuts (http://deadkenny.co.uk/bondcuts.htm) (note: could contain spoilers).
For what it's worth, I don't know if the new re-issues have cuts restored, but I'd bet that given the cuts in OHMSS are fairly large cuts, there'd be a bit of work to do new remasters and authoring (modifying the commentary tracks to fit, etc), and I'm betting all MGM are doing is repackaging the discs (far cheaper than having to author new discs).
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You sure? The LTK video that I keep referencing is from my Bond vhs widescreen box set.
Yes but was that the first or the second widescreen VHS release? I think the second was uncut.
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Originally posted by The Karate Kid
Yes but was that the first or the second widescreen VHS release? I think the second was uncut.
The earliest version that could have been uncut would have had to been after November 2000 as that was when the BBFC waived all previous cuts. It's quite possibel the widescreen VHS after that date was uncut, but was it the same as the DVD version?
The issue with the DVD is despite the BBFC waiving the cuts and allowing the full uncut version, MGM managed to accidentally use a cut version for their master and the same masters are used to author the discs worldwide (with tweaks for PAL and local issues). It was less cut than previous UK versions, but not cut enough. Apparently anyway.
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There were only ever two cuts of note anyway. Having seen the uncut version and the cut version.
1. Sanchez whipping whatshername
2. His body burning for longer at the end.
More minor
3. Felix screams last longer
That's about it.
The pressure chamber scene being cut is a myth.
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The pressure chamber cut I believe was just the blood splatter which was removed before. You never saw his head explode though.
Looking at some posts about on deja/usenet and from what I recall reading on some R1 DVD sites (don't have the links any more), it seems that the cut/uncut status stems from the US DVD being claimed to be cut due to a slip up. The US DVD came out before the R2 UK DVD, and apparently Holland (and Brazil?) has had the longer uncut (the "John Glen Cut") version on VHS. When the UK R2 came out it was assumed to be fully uncut because of what the BBFC said about waiving previous cuts, but then on review people said it was identical to the R1, which therefore leads to the conclusion that it is cut in some way (just that it's the most uncut that the UK has had).
All that said, I've seen some posts from back before the R2 came out saying that the US version was the version the BBFC 'waived' and was the version that turned up on VHS (and apparently on ITV a couple of times if you believe that! :eek: ). The conclusion then was that the DVD would be the same 'US' cut, but then the description of some of the cuts includes the mention of the blood splatter on the compression chamber, which is in the R2 I believe. Or then again, it may refer to a difference between an earlier non-SE of LTK in R1 and the SE in R1, one of which may be more cut than the other but both still cut and the R2 being the same as the SE in R1. :confused::confused:.
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I think the slightly cut status of the R1 and r2 is sanchez burning at the end.
The rest all seems intact.
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Well on the DVD commentry it says they had to cut the compresson chamber bit, so hhmm...
Oh and a mate of mine said he has seen the fully uncut print of LTK and he said that the Felix scene is "totally gross" so whatever has been cut is more than one might think, so it seems.
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Back to the original question though...
Over in R1 the re-issue sets (due for release starting 22nd October 2002) are described over at DVD Reviewer (http://www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk/news/news.asp?Index=6100&Section=2) as being "... identical to the previous editions, currently withdrawn, and won't feature any new extras or new multi-channel sound mixes"
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Originally posted by Captain_Chaos
Well on the DVD commentry it says they had to cut the compresson chamber bit, so hhmm...
Oh and a mate of mine said he has seen the fully uncut print of LTK and he said that the Felix scene is "totally gross" so whatever has been cut is more than one might think, so it seems.
A) that means the compression chamber cut was never made available anywhere
B) the extra felix bits are in the R1 edition, and it is a bit disturbing.
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Originally posted by The Karate Kid
A) that means the compression chamber cut was never made available anywhere
B) the extra felix bits are in the R1 edition, and it is a bit disturbing.
So, does this mean that the R1 contains the uncut shark bait scene, where you actually see Leiter's leg bitten off (I seem to remember this being screened on ITV once?)?
Can anyone confirm for DEFINITE whether the R1 version is LESS CUT than the current R2 version??? If so, I'm going to be replacing my R2. Thanks.
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You certainly see him being chomped on. But don't expect anything graphic like close ups.
I haven't seen the R2 so Have no idea how it compares to the R1
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Originally posted by gooseUK
Can anyone confirm for DEFINITE whether the R1 version is LESS CUT than the current R2 version??? If so, I'm going to be replacing my R2. Thanks.
I was under the impression that the R2 SE is identical to the R1 SE, but still doesn't mean they're fully uncut (can't confirm or deny that, just that it's always been said the R1 is slightly cut and the R2 is the same).
I can't confirm for definite though as I don't have the R1.
I've heard that ITV have had two screenings of the fully uncut version (John Glen Cut).
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Sadly, Leiter's bloody stump of a leg waving in the water has been excised from the R1 print of LTK. I was looking forward to that on dvd after watching the uncut version on ITV a couple of times, but even this slightly-cut dvd version is infinitely preferable after the atrocious vhs hack-job. I think I'll rent the R2 to see what state it's actually in.
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When you do niceguygeoff can yu tell us for definate what is and isn't cut please?
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Just checked my R2 and...
The pre-titles whipping is present. Can't tell if anything's cut but I can't see why anything would be. It's all very tame anyway. I guess it was just an objection to the concept rather than any graphic nature of it.
No leg stump waiving in the shark scene, though the whole sequence seems longer than the previous VHS version I had, but it does look a little cut with shots of people's reactions that don't match what you see. You do see the shark attacking though.
No head explosion in the compression chamber but you do see his head expand, hear the explosion, and see the blood on the glass.
Sanchez burning bit at the end doesn't seem to be particularly long, though I've not seen a longer cut so can't say.
Oh, by the way, my R2 is the French R2. I got it in the hope that it might be uncut (given the French R2s of Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies were uncut), but sadly not.
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That French R2 sounds the same as the R1, which I watched last night incidentally. And one thing I've forgotten to mention about LTK is Benicio Del Toro's death scene. From what I remember the uncut version features a few frames of extra gore as he gets chomped up by the machine. Just FYI. I'll see if I can get the UK R2 in the next couple of days. It's probably the exact same disc as the French one, but what the hell!
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Okay people. I just watched the R2 SE of Licence to Kill, and it's the exact same slightly-cut print used on the R1 - right down to the print damage! It has the exact same extras too, although there are less chapter stops on the R2. The decent menu music has been replaced as well on the R2.
BUT (and that's a big but) the two lines of dialogue (near the end of the movie) that are famously out of sync on the R1 are perfectly synched on the R2. Well I never! The transfer is sharper on the R2 as well, but I put that down to noted PAL/NTSC differences. Sadly, both transfers exhibit loads of haloing and aliasing over fine detail - perhaps more so on the sharper PAL version.
All in all, though, I'm pleasantly surprised.
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basically it' s about as uncut as it will ever be, or needs to be for that matter.
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Originally posted by The Karate Kid
basically it' s about as uncut as it will ever be, or needs to be for that matter.
That's the issue though, it's not as uncut as it should be. I'd heard that the fully uncut version was intended to be released by MGM. They slipped up and released the wrong one (same as they did with OHMSS). It's been passed by the BBFC so there's no reason why it can't be released.
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Yes, but I've got the full uncut version on NTSC VHS, and it's nothing to write home about anyway.
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