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Just out of interest, was A Clockwork Orange shown in the wrong aspect ratio last night on Channel 4?
I'm sure my DVD isn't framed at 1.85:1....
It was filmed in Open Matte 1.33:1 and cropped to 1.66:1. Not sure why Channel 4 broadcast it at 1.85:1.
From an interview with Leon Vitallin Q If full frame was so important why didn't Kubrick release them theatrically that way? If full frame was so important why didn't Kubrick release them theatrically that way?
After Barry Lyndon, more and more theaters were showing films 1.85 or in Cinemascope even if it wasn't shot that way. He had no control. He couldn't go around every cinema and say "You show this film in 1.66" as you could with Clockwork Orange, because then the projectors had 1.66 mask. With multi-plexes things are different and so they only show a film in 1.85 or in 2.21, the Cinemascope. You know? You cannot put a mask in 1.66 as it should be for Clockwork Orange. You can't put a 1.77 in as it should be for Barry Lyndon and that's what Stanley understood with The Shining onwards. He realized that his films we're going to be shown in 1.85 whether he liked it or not. You can't tell all the theaters now how to show your movies. They say it's 1.85, that's it. Stanley realized that masking for 1.85 would far outweigh having 1.66 projected at 1.85. We did a re-release of Clockwork in the U.K. and it's 1.66. It's composed for 1.66. It's shot in 1.66, and the whole shebang. Well, you know, they had to screen it in 1.85. I can't tell you how much it hurt that film.
The rest of the article with Kubrick's assistant is here:
etc:http://www.dvdtalk.com/leonvitaliinterview.html
It's quite enlightening.
1.66:1 as far as I know.
It looked more like 1.78:1 on my 10yr old Sony Trinitron last night.
Yep, the negative ratio was 1.33:1, but the intended ratio was 1.66:1, which would pretty much fill a widesceen TV, with very small bars at the sides.
Any reason our 36" Widescreen Toshiba picture frame TV had huge black borders then when set to widescreen mode? It wanted to go into Cinema mode but I hate it stretched out like that.
This was on Analogue not Sky Digital BTW.
Gary A
The film was matted to 1:85:1 on it's cinema re-release, and that's how C4 showed it last night. To be honest, the tiny ammount of picture lost at the top and bottom of the screen wouldn't have made any real difference whatsoever to the film; due to the lack of a 14:9 mode on my TV, that's how I always watch the DVD.
Channel Four had obviously gotten a telecine of a masked theatrical print framed at 1.85:1 (or thereabouts). They were not given the (non-anamorphic) Kubrick-approved 1.66:1 version that is out on dvd which, incidentally, I think looks better than last night's anamorphic version.
As for Gary's problem, Channel Four are the only UK broadcaster that sends a widescreen-switching signal on their analogue broadcasts - this flag has been known to 'confuse' the widescreen modes on some sets.
Originally posted by Niceguygeoff
Channel Four had obviously gotten a telecine of a masked theatrical print framed at 1.85:1 (or thereabouts). They were not given the (non-anamorphic) Kubrick-approved 1.66:1 version that is out on dvd which, incidentally, I think looks better than last night's anamorphic version.
As for Gary's problem, Channel Four are the only UK broadcaster that sends a widescreen-switching signal on their analogue broadcasts - this flag has been known to 'confuse' the widescreen modes on some sets.
Technically, C4 have broken ITC rules, because only the 1:66:1 version has got a BBFC video cert, and C4 are required show the version certified for video.
I almost feel the urge to complain to see if anyone at the ITC was pedantic enough to fall for it! :D
Clockwork Orange was shown at most cinemas at 1.85:1 for its 2000 re-release, and it looked OK at that ratio IMHO.
But, if C4 try this on with Barry Lyndon, Stanley's gonna turn in his grave - he was insistent that it was framed at 1.66:1 (even sending out aperture masks to cinemas that were set up for 1.85:1)
A.
i wondered about this too last night. On a 33" TV the film did look un-necessarily widescreen, as for the opening and closing titles there were thin black boarders on the left and right of the screen, and also the top and bottom boarders looked larger than i remember on the re-mastered DVD.
In some scenes i thought there was a fish-eye effect with the sides of the screen disorting the image a tad.. could just be my imagination though.
Originally posted by Niceguygeoff
As for Gary's problem, Channel Four are the only UK broadcaster that sends a widescreen-switching signal on their analogue broadcasts - this flag has been known to 'confuse' the widescreen modes on some sets.
Even so though, if they had broadcast it in 1.85:1 and I manually selected Widescreen mode on my TV, then it should have filled the entire screen like 1.85:1 films do, however I still have huge black borders top and bottom, as though it was a 2.35:1 film.
Gary A
Originally posted by Byron
Technically, C4 have broken ITC rules, because only the 1:66:1 version has got a BBFC video cert, and C4 are required show the version certified for video.
I almost feel the urge to complain to see if anyone at the ITC was pedantic enough to fall for it! :D
I thought they could show what they wanted, as long as they didn't upset the ITC. Isn't BBFC just for Cinema and Video / DVD certification?
Isn't this how they got away with showing the directors cut of Natural Born Killers on Film Four, and the normal version (uncut) on Channel Five?
I'm sure my DVD isn't framed at 1.85:1....
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It was filmed in Open Matte 1.33:1 and cropped to 1.66:1. Not sure why Channel 4 broadcast it at 1.85:1.
From an interview with Leon Vitallin Q If full frame was so important why didn't Kubrick release them theatrically that way? If full frame was so important why didn't Kubrick release them theatrically that way?
After Barry Lyndon, more and more theaters were showing films 1.85 or in Cinemascope even if it wasn't shot that way. He had no control. He couldn't go around every cinema and say "You show this film in 1.66" as you could with Clockwork Orange, because then the projectors had 1.66 mask. With multi-plexes things are different and so they only show a film in 1.85 or in 2.21, the Cinemascope. You know? You cannot put a mask in 1.66 as it should be for Clockwork Orange. You can't put a 1.77 in as it should be for Barry Lyndon and that's what Stanley understood with The Shining onwards. He realized that his films we're going to be shown in 1.85 whether he liked it or not. You can't tell all the theaters now how to show your movies. They say it's 1.85, that's it. Stanley realized that masking for 1.85 would far outweigh having 1.66 projected at 1.85. We did a re-release of Clockwork in the U.K. and it's 1.66. It's composed for 1.66. It's shot in 1.66, and the whole shebang. Well, you know, they had to screen it in 1.85. I can't tell you how much it hurt that film.
The rest of the article with Kubrick's assistant is here:
etc:http://www.dvdtalk.com/leonvitaliinterview.html
It's quite enlightening.
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1.66:1 as far as I know.
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It looked more like 1.78:1 on my 10yr old Sony Trinitron last night.
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Yep, the negative ratio was 1.33:1, but the intended ratio was 1.66:1, which would pretty much fill a widesceen TV, with very small bars at the sides.
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Any reason our 36" Widescreen Toshiba picture frame TV had huge black borders then when set to widescreen mode? It wanted to go into Cinema mode but I hate it stretched out like that.
This was on Analogue not Sky Digital BTW.
Gary A
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The film was matted to 1:85:1 on it's cinema re-release, and that's how C4 showed it last night. To be honest, the tiny ammount of picture lost at the top and bottom of the screen wouldn't have made any real difference whatsoever to the film; due to the lack of a 14:9 mode on my TV, that's how I always watch the DVD.
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Channel Four had obviously gotten a telecine of a masked theatrical print framed at 1.85:1 (or thereabouts). They were not given the (non-anamorphic) Kubrick-approved 1.66:1 version that is out on dvd which, incidentally, I think looks better than last night's anamorphic version.
As for Gary's problem, Channel Four are the only UK broadcaster that sends a widescreen-switching signal on their analogue broadcasts - this flag has been known to 'confuse' the widescreen modes on some sets.
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Originally posted by Niceguygeoff
Channel Four had obviously gotten a telecine of a masked theatrical print framed at 1.85:1 (or thereabouts). They were not given the (non-anamorphic) Kubrick-approved 1.66:1 version that is out on dvd which, incidentally, I think looks better than last night's anamorphic version.
As for Gary's problem, Channel Four are the only UK broadcaster that sends a widescreen-switching signal on their analogue broadcasts - this flag has been known to 'confuse' the widescreen modes on some sets.
Technically, C4 have broken ITC rules, because only the 1:66:1 version has got a BBFC video cert, and C4 are required show the version certified for video.
I almost feel the urge to complain to see if anyone at the ITC was pedantic enough to fall for it! :D
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Clockwork Orange was shown at most cinemas at 1.85:1 for its 2000 re-release, and it looked OK at that ratio IMHO.
But, if C4 try this on with Barry Lyndon, Stanley's gonna turn in his grave - he was insistent that it was framed at 1.66:1 (even sending out aperture masks to cinemas that were set up for 1.85:1)
A.
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i wondered about this too last night. On a 33" TV the film did look un-necessarily widescreen, as for the opening and closing titles there were thin black boarders on the left and right of the screen, and also the top and bottom boarders looked larger than i remember on the re-mastered DVD.
In some scenes i thought there was a fish-eye effect with the sides of the screen disorting the image a tad.. could just be my imagination though.
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Originally posted by Niceguygeoff
As for Gary's problem, Channel Four are the only UK broadcaster that sends a widescreen-switching signal on their analogue broadcasts - this flag has been known to 'confuse' the widescreen modes on some sets.
Even so though, if they had broadcast it in 1.85:1 and I manually selected Widescreen mode on my TV, then it should have filled the entire screen like 1.85:1 films do, however I still have huge black borders top and bottom, as though it was a 2.35:1 film.
Gary A
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Originally posted by Byron
Technically, C4 have broken ITC rules, because only the 1:66:1 version has got a BBFC video cert, and C4 are required show the version certified for video.
I almost feel the urge to complain to see if anyone at the ITC was pedantic enough to fall for it! :D
I thought they could show what they wanted, as long as they didn't upset the ITC. Isn't BBFC just for Cinema and Video / DVD certification?
Isn't this how they got away with showing the directors cut of Natural Born Killers on Film Four, and the normal version (uncut) on Channel Five?
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