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Might have done, not sure. Hopefully not...
obviously if u havent seen the film then done read below... but do this instead: drop whatever u may be doing and get down to blockbuster ASAP and rent this and watch it, before someone ruins the incredible twist for u!!
right, u know the mind reading part about 20 misn in, where osment has to walk towards the seat if willis says the right thing etc... well around this scene the mum says to him something about ehr being pleased with him and says she's gonna make him some pancakes but just before she walks into the kithcen and without looking at either characters, she says "you got one hour"... and then glances acorss at Willis before leaving the room...
why did she do these 2 things?!?!?! cheers
Added spoiler tags just in case m8 :) (Gromit)
Could have been telling him how long before meal time . . . and looking across was just a coincidence to help fool the audience - it fooled me :D
Like a bit earlier when they are sat opposite each other fiving the impression of a conversation having taken place . . .
I suspect the spoilers may be unnecesssary above but you never know . . . .
yeah, sure, thanks for the spoilers...
maybe u r right, the convo part especially, making it look like they were talking, but thers something just not quite right about that part, watch it again and post back here with ur thoughts!
by the way, if anyone hasn't seen it, i think you should be arrested for not having seen such an incredible film, go see it now and then join in this discussion!!
you mean its wrong because it wouldnt take an hour to cook pancakes :)
well yeah, that also
Doesn't Bruce Willis crack a window in a door by hitting it? How could he do that?
It's been ages since I saw it though, so I might not be remembering properly.
well, isnt that just his "poltergeist" powers or whatever?
IIRC
he uses sheer emotion and will power to do it. a bit like in 'Ghost' where you have to *really* want it to happen
Yep, sort of poltergeist. Notice how he doesn't move anything else in the movie until the point he is really angry / sad.
As for why did she look across the room. I haven't watched that bit again yet. But didn't the boy look at Bruce Willis first? Maybe she was looking it that direction thinking "What is he looking at?".
Its her house...she can look at whatever she likes :)
Liggur: congrats, u win the award for most intelligent post on the forums ever!! jnms: good point, i'll have to play it back and see if he looks over there too... still doesn't explain the !1 hour" part though...
They're American pancakes m8 - need a bit more time to make :D
They really do, though . . . we have a recipe for them and they need time for the yeast to work :) We use our breadmaker for them and they are REALLY scumptious :D
hmm, interesting. I lived in the states and always went to IHOP (International home of pancakes) and they didnt take long.... but oh well, guess that explains the 1 hour part... but she specifically glance sover at willis in a look of recognition before walking out... watch it again... still something odd about the scene to me.
Originally posted by Yonathan Gal
hmm, interesting. I lived in the states and always went to IHOP (International home of pancakes) and they didnt take long.... but oh well, guess that explains the 1 hour part... but she specifically glance sover at willis in a look of recognition before walking out... watch it again... still something odd about the scene to me.
Don't you think they may have a bit of mixture ready prepared at the IHOP :D They never take long in any restaurant - it's just the cooking time. I'm sure the mother would just use something similar to a ready-mix as well. But you never know, she could be a proper home-cooking mom :)
Will look at it again but I suspect the reason will be what jnms said - given that the boy's behaviour was of general concern to his mother.
lol, im sure ihop do have a ready made mixture, hehe.... maybe that reason is very valid, will have to watch carefully for the boy's behaviour in that scene, it could spur the mum into looking, will watch again in a minute...
Maybe she wanted to freshen up, go to the loo, check the mail, put the washing out, wash her hands (I sincerly hope), before she started to make the pancakes?
Originally posted by Yonathan Gal
... but she specifically glance sover at willis in a look of recognition before walking out... watch it again... still something odd about the scene to me. If I walked into a room and my son was sat in a chair staring at the 'empty' chair opposite I would naturally glance across to see what he was staring at. Makes sense to me.:)
One of the bits I found suspicious was :
The bit on the bus.
Who paid for the bus journey?
Surely Bruce Willis couldn't do it, as no one else can see him (surely he's not going to let the little guy pay his bus fare), and the bus driver would have questioned a little boy asking for 'one child and one adult' if there was no adult.
Creamstick: the little boy wouldn't have asked for an adult ticket as the boy knew Malcoms true identity all along... and so naturally he would pay his own ticket and that's it.
:zzz: :zzz:
There's like a million different plot holes in Sixth Sense, like how did Bruce Willis get into the mothers house? He must have knocked oin the door, introduced himself, she must have asked him if he would like to sit down, etc, etc...
Originally posted by Dave h-j
:zzz: :zzz:
There's like a million different plot holes in Sixth Sense, like how did Bruce Willis get into the mothers house? He must have knocked oin the door, introduced himself, she must have asked him if he would like to sit down, etc, etc...
:D oh yeah... :notworthy
yeah, but all the "in-bvetween" bits we dont see are accounted for simply due to "they only see what they want to see" ... also helped explained by the door to the cellar which is always locked, we never see how he gets in there... and at the end he sees the books covering the door.... that all makes sense to me and i wouldn't say that was flawed at all.
It's called the beauty of filmic language & logic.
1) You make the audience "read" something one way.
2) You make the audience question everything they think they've seen.
3) You tell them another "truth" and then they "read" everything a different way.
Simple, elegant and a perfect example.
Anyone who says this film is all about "the ending", hasn't been paying attention!
I certainly don't think the film is flawed - as Richie said, it's all part of the film. You make the audience fill in the gaps according to the logic of the real world, but this film isn't set in the 'real' world - so to say.. ;)
In anyway, I like the film - it has repeat viewing value and gives you something to think about..
Yeah definitely the bits you don't see are different.
I've always assumed that Willis doesn't even exist all the time, if that makes sense? That, because he sees the world as he wants to see it, he only experiences sections of his life and doesn't realise he isn't even 'there' for the rest of it.
With the bus, the probably both have travelcard type things...
With the 'one hour' thing, I think that's just a mother to child thing. Most parents will tell their children that dinner's in an hour or whatever, to make sure they know when they're going to be stopped from playing.
However, I do consider that line a cheat in that it can be rationalised after the fact but technically it is not particularly likely or logical...
Originally posted by Yonathan Gal
Creamstick: the little boy wouldn't have asked for an adult ticket as the boy knew Malcoms true identity all along... and so naturally he would pay his own ticket and that's it.
But wouldn't Bruce Willis have gotten a little pised off when the driver refused to respond to him trying to pay his fare? The travelcard idea seems plausable, but only in a get-out-of-jail-free way.
What I don't get is:
If the kid knew she was being poisoned why the heck did she keep eating it?
Originally posted by Joober
What I don't get is:
If the kid knew she was being poisoned why the heck did she keep eating it?
I dont think she did, until after she died, then she remembered the video that she had left running after doing her little play, then tried to tell the boy about it.
Originally posted by Creamstick
The travelcard idea seems plausable, but only in a get-out-of-jail-free way.
Well it depends on whether transport in that city (don't know which) resembles London at all. Bus stops: most people have a travelcard and just get on flashing it to a disinterested driver...
the bus thing is simple to me, he only sees what he wants to see and so that part which would make problems for him was just ignored, so to speak. he just skpped that aprt in his mind and walked on.
But then, if he only sees what he wants to see, wouldn't he just see his wife being happy and carrying on normal life with him?
lol, good point maybe. argh, i dunno, lets just conentrate on the one thing I brought up about the mother actually looking at him :)
The boy does look at the couch, but only briefly at the beginning ote scene, its right at the end of the scene she glances over...
If I could just get back to the pancake thing for a minute...
There's no way she is going to cook them from scratch - she gives the kid Poptarts for brekky - that's all the evidence we need on that one. Definitely a powder mix or a ready prepared batter.
Hmmmmmmmmm! Pancakes! Nigella has a good recipe;)
any other thoughts on this?
heya :)
maybe she sensed someone was there, which may explain the looking in that direction, after all she was sitting there with him being there for god knows how long.. or 'maybe' her ex-husband/boyfriend used to sit there or something and she looked there out of habit...
the one hour thing, maybe that means to get out of his clothes, some parents tell that to their kids after they come back from home, "you got an hour before i want you in your pj's" etc.. or maybe it means for dinner... or until he has to start his homework or something..
or as you say it's probably just a cheat! but not a total one i'd say. I think all human beings have some sort of sixth sense no matter how small.. so wouldn't be suprised if she did have some sense, no matter how minute.. and as Liggur said.. it's her house she can look where she wants! :lol:
actually, just a wild guess can't remember every little bit of the film, but is it made absolute certain that she can't see ghosts too?? i can only think of the road crash scene... where the woman appears at the window... is the mother looking in that direction too ??? maybe ghosts only appear to people they want to appear to --- :confused:
good point Trishul, I think that explains it pretty much, she got a sense of something and looks.. I'll have to watch again though, maybe it is that sort of look... would be interestibng to see if shyamalan has ever talked about the plot of sixth sense in an interview and talked about the twist etc and how it works... :)
Why do people keep mentioning Bruce Willis?
I've watched this film 10 times now and not once have I seen Bruce Willis
....everybody knows the butler did it anyway :nuts:
huh???
What the hell?? Bruce Willis you dont see him??? DO you not see Dead people?? I am confused?!?!?:confused: :confused: :confused:
no one gets a drunken joke when they see one?:rolleyes:
obviously if u havent seen the film then done read below... but do this instead: drop whatever u may be doing and get down to blockbuster ASAP and rent this and watch it, before someone ruins the incredible twist for u!!
right, u know the mind reading part about 20 misn in, where osment has to walk towards the seat if willis says the right thing etc... well around this scene the mum says to him something about ehr being pleased with him and says she's gonna make him some pancakes but just before she walks into the kithcen and without looking at either characters, she says "you got one hour"... and then glances acorss at Willis before leaving the room...
why did she do these 2 things?!?!?! cheers
Added spoiler tags just in case m8 :) (Gromit)
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Could have been telling him how long before meal time . . . and looking across was just a coincidence to help fool the audience - it fooled me :D
Like a bit earlier when they are sat opposite each other fiving the impression of a conversation having taken place . . .
I suspect the spoilers may be unnecesssary above but you never know . . . .
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yeah, sure, thanks for the spoilers...
maybe u r right, the convo part especially, making it look like they were talking, but thers something just not quite right about that part, watch it again and post back here with ur thoughts!
by the way, if anyone hasn't seen it, i think you should be arrested for not having seen such an incredible film, go see it now and then join in this discussion!!
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you mean its wrong because it wouldnt take an hour to cook pancakes :)
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well yeah, that also
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Doesn't Bruce Willis crack a window in a door by hitting it? How could he do that?
It's been ages since I saw it though, so I might not be remembering properly.
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well, isnt that just his "poltergeist" powers or whatever?
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IIRC
he uses sheer emotion and will power to do it. a bit like in 'Ghost' where you have to *really* want it to happen
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Yep, sort of poltergeist. Notice how he doesn't move anything else in the movie until the point he is really angry / sad.
As for why did she look across the room. I haven't watched that bit again yet. But didn't the boy look at Bruce Willis first? Maybe she was looking it that direction thinking "What is he looking at?".
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Its her house...she can look at whatever she likes :)
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Liggur: congrats, u win the award for most intelligent post on the forums ever!! jnms: good point, i'll have to play it back and see if he looks over there too... still doesn't explain the !1 hour" part though...
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They're American pancakes m8 - need a bit more time to make :D
They really do, though . . . we have a recipe for them and they need time for the yeast to work :) We use our breadmaker for them and they are REALLY scumptious :D
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hmm, interesting. I lived in the states and always went to IHOP (International home of pancakes) and they didnt take long.... but oh well, guess that explains the 1 hour part... but she specifically glance sover at willis in a look of recognition before walking out... watch it again... still something odd about the scene to me.
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Originally posted by Yonathan Gal
hmm, interesting. I lived in the states and always went to IHOP (International home of pancakes) and they didnt take long.... but oh well, guess that explains the 1 hour part... but she specifically glance sover at willis in a look of recognition before walking out... watch it again... still something odd about the scene to me.
Don't you think they may have a bit of mixture ready prepared at the IHOP :D They never take long in any restaurant - it's just the cooking time. I'm sure the mother would just use something similar to a ready-mix as well. But you never know, she could be a proper home-cooking mom :)
Will look at it again but I suspect the reason will be what jnms said - given that the boy's behaviour was of general concern to his mother.
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lol, im sure ihop do have a ready made mixture, hehe.... maybe that reason is very valid, will have to watch carefully for the boy's behaviour in that scene, it could spur the mum into looking, will watch again in a minute...
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Maybe she wanted to freshen up, go to the loo, check the mail, put the washing out, wash her hands (I sincerly hope), before she started to make the pancakes?
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Originally posted by Yonathan Gal
... but she specifically glance sover at willis in a look of recognition before walking out... watch it again... still something odd about the scene to me. If I walked into a room and my son was sat in a chair staring at the 'empty' chair opposite I would naturally glance across to see what he was staring at. Makes sense to me.:)
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One of the bits I found suspicious was :
The bit on the bus.
Who paid for the bus journey?
Surely Bruce Willis couldn't do it, as no one else can see him (surely he's not going to let the little guy pay his bus fare), and the bus driver would have questioned a little boy asking for 'one child and one adult' if there was no adult.
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Creamstick: the little boy wouldn't have asked for an adult ticket as the boy knew Malcoms true identity all along... and so naturally he would pay his own ticket and that's it.
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:zzz: :zzz:
There's like a million different plot holes in Sixth Sense, like how did Bruce Willis get into the mothers house? He must have knocked oin the door, introduced himself, she must have asked him if he would like to sit down, etc, etc...
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Originally posted by Dave h-j
:zzz: :zzz:
There's like a million different plot holes in Sixth Sense, like how did Bruce Willis get into the mothers house? He must have knocked oin the door, introduced himself, she must have asked him if he would like to sit down, etc, etc...
:D oh yeah... :notworthy
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yeah, but all the "in-bvetween" bits we dont see are accounted for simply due to "they only see what they want to see" ... also helped explained by the door to the cellar which is always locked, we never see how he gets in there... and at the end he sees the books covering the door.... that all makes sense to me and i wouldn't say that was flawed at all.
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It's called the beauty of filmic language & logic.
1) You make the audience "read" something one way.
2) You make the audience question everything they think they've seen.
3) You tell them another "truth" and then they "read" everything a different way.
Simple, elegant and a perfect example.
Anyone who says this film is all about "the ending", hasn't been paying attention!
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I certainly don't think the film is flawed - as Richie said, it's all part of the film. You make the audience fill in the gaps according to the logic of the real world, but this film isn't set in the 'real' world - so to say.. ;)
In anyway, I like the film - it has repeat viewing value and gives you something to think about..
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Yeah definitely the bits you don't see are different.
I've always assumed that Willis doesn't even exist all the time, if that makes sense? That, because he sees the world as he wants to see it, he only experiences sections of his life and doesn't realise he isn't even 'there' for the rest of it.
With the bus, the probably both have travelcard type things...
With the 'one hour' thing, I think that's just a mother to child thing. Most parents will tell their children that dinner's in an hour or whatever, to make sure they know when they're going to be stopped from playing.
However, I do consider that line a cheat in that it can be rationalised after the fact but technically it is not particularly likely or logical...
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Originally posted by Yonathan Gal
Creamstick: the little boy wouldn't have asked for an adult ticket as the boy knew Malcoms true identity all along... and so naturally he would pay his own ticket and that's it.
But wouldn't Bruce Willis have gotten a little pised off when the driver refused to respond to him trying to pay his fare? The travelcard idea seems plausable, but only in a get-out-of-jail-free way.
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What I don't get is:
If the kid knew she was being poisoned why the heck did she keep eating it?
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Originally posted by Joober
What I don't get is:
If the kid knew she was being poisoned why the heck did she keep eating it?
I dont think she did, until after she died, then she remembered the video that she had left running after doing her little play, then tried to tell the boy about it.
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Originally posted by Creamstick
The travelcard idea seems plausable, but only in a get-out-of-jail-free way.
Well it depends on whether transport in that city (don't know which) resembles London at all. Bus stops: most people have a travelcard and just get on flashing it to a disinterested driver...
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the bus thing is simple to me, he only sees what he wants to see and so that part which would make problems for him was just ignored, so to speak. he just skpped that aprt in his mind and walked on.
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But then, if he only sees what he wants to see, wouldn't he just see his wife being happy and carrying on normal life with him?
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lol, good point maybe. argh, i dunno, lets just conentrate on the one thing I brought up about the mother actually looking at him :)
The boy does look at the couch, but only briefly at the beginning ote scene, its right at the end of the scene she glances over...
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If I could just get back to the pancake thing for a minute...
There's no way she is going to cook them from scratch - she gives the kid Poptarts for brekky - that's all the evidence we need on that one. Definitely a powder mix or a ready prepared batter.
Hmmmmmmmmm! Pancakes! Nigella has a good recipe;)
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any other thoughts on this?
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heya :)
maybe she sensed someone was there, which may explain the looking in that direction, after all she was sitting there with him being there for god knows how long.. or 'maybe' her ex-husband/boyfriend used to sit there or something and she looked there out of habit...
the one hour thing, maybe that means to get out of his clothes, some parents tell that to their kids after they come back from home, "you got an hour before i want you in your pj's" etc.. or maybe it means for dinner... or until he has to start his homework or something..
or as you say it's probably just a cheat! but not a total one i'd say. I think all human beings have some sort of sixth sense no matter how small.. so wouldn't be suprised if she did have some sense, no matter how minute.. and as Liggur said.. it's her house she can look where she wants! :lol:
actually, just a wild guess can't remember every little bit of the film, but is it made absolute certain that she can't see ghosts too?? i can only think of the road crash scene... where the woman appears at the window... is the mother looking in that direction too ??? maybe ghosts only appear to people they want to appear to --- :confused:
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good point Trishul, I think that explains it pretty much, she got a sense of something and looks.. I'll have to watch again though, maybe it is that sort of look... would be interestibng to see if shyamalan has ever talked about the plot of sixth sense in an interview and talked about the twist etc and how it works... :)
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Why do people keep mentioning Bruce Willis?
I've watched this film 10 times now and not once have I seen Bruce Willis
....everybody knows the butler did it anyway :nuts:
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huh???
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What the hell?? Bruce Willis you dont see him??? DO you not see Dead people?? I am confused?!?!?:confused: :confused: :confused:
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no one gets a drunken joke when they see one?:rolleyes:
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