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has this been mentioned already?
have been watching the dvd release of twenty four and noticed that cant they manage to use the 24 hour clock correctly?
the segments in the afternoon have times like 04:59:57 ? thats ********. surely if they're going to use that notation they should drop the 0 and make it 4:59pm?
or is it just another american thing - they cant understand 24 hour clocks or what?
On a 24 hr clock it should be 16:59:57
duh, that was my point!
so why didn't you put it in your original post then? :D
coz i thought you lot would understand what I was talking about.
fair point though :o
anyway they're wrong aren't they!
But it looks like many Americans really are unable to use the 24 hour clock - on "Home Improvement" there was this running gag about the father-in-law of Tim Allen's character who always used the 24 hour clock. Allen's character would then start some crazy calculations to find out what that time was.
The same joke has been done on "King of Queens", "Everybody Loves Raymond" and "Friends" - and probably many other shows too.
It's not wrong, it's only the same as writing 8:05 instead of 8:5, it just makes it a bit clearer to read.
Originally posted by SvenL
But it looks like many Americans really are unable to use the 24 hour clock
Yep, and they all call it 'military time'. http://www.apdb24.dsl.pipex.com/smilies/slow_laugh.gif
It's not wrong, it's only the same as writing 8:05 instead of 8:5, it just makes it a bit clearer to read.
:confused:
not if you ask me, 08:05 to me says eight oclock in the morning. 8:05 means it could be either, (i.e. it would help to specify am or pm). 20:05 is obvious.
imho specifying the leading 0 is as good as saying you're using a 24hr clock.
Originally posted by stephen
It's not wrong, it's only the same as writing 8:05 instead of 8:5, it just makes it a bit clearer to read. Eh?! 8:5 would be 8:50. :nuts:
Originally posted by Garry Cowell
Eh?! 8:5 would be 8:50. :nuts:
It wouldn't as the : isn't a decimal point, it just seperates two sets of numbers. If 8:5 could be 8:50, then it could also be 80:50
8:5 just looks stupid, and even more confusing. They should have kept the AM and PM in - but maybe they will for the new series. After all, they were pretty much making things up as they went along in the second half of this one.
Originally posted by Garry Cowell
Eh?! 8:5 would be 8:50. :nuts:
I don't think so! The leading '0' can only be removed if it doesn't affect the value, therefore a leading '0' can be removed but a trialing one can't. The idea of the leading '0' is to include it for clarity.
By the way nicpillinger I agree with you that a leading zero does normally denote a 24 hour clock but the 24 in the title refers to an elapsed 24 hours not the notation of the time used, confused, I sure am. :D
Originally posted by stephen
It's not wrong
The whole point of a 24 hour clock is that it goes from 00 - 23. i.e, no time when written down can be confused for am or pm.
So 04:59 standing for just before 5 o'clock in the afternoon IS wrong.
Originally posted by The Bear
The whole point of a 24 hour clock is that it goes from 00 - 23. i.e, no time when written down can be confused for am or pm.
So 04:59 standing for just before 5 o'clock in the afternoon IS wrong.
If there is a convention stating that a leading zero is added on 24 hour clocks and not on 12 hour clocks then it is wrong, but there is no logical reason why a clock running from 0 to 24 would use a leading zero and one running from 1 - 12 would not, in the samw way there is no logical reason why you write 8:05 instead of 8:5, it's just an accepted convention.
Originally posted by stephen
If there is a convention stating that a leading zero is added on 24 hour clocks and not on 12 hour clocks then it is wrong, but there is no logical reason why a clock running from 0 to 24 would use a leading zero and one running from 1 - 12 would not, in the samw way there is no logical reason why you write 8:05 instead of 8:5, it's just an accepted convention. There is a reason why 24 hour clocks have a leading zero, and that's so they don't get confused with a 12 hour clock.
e.g. 8:50 - is this a 24hr clock or a 12 hr clock - if it's 24 it would be in the morning. If it's 12 it could be either morning or night.
Whereas 08:50 cannot be confused as being at night.
uh I thought the whole point was military applications.
The important part is not that its 24 hours but thats its always 4 digits hhmm, the 24hours was to stop ambuigity.
And the reason for 4 digits is programing, it would haven been a pain in the arse if the number digits was variable...and you wouldn't want a missile going off because it got the time wrong.
Also the semicolon shouldn't be there...its a waste of memory which would have been valuable. (eg y2k bug)
Originally posted by stephen
It's not wrong, it's only the same as writing 8:05 instead of 8:5, it just makes it a bit clearer to read.
8:5 is 8:50
Originally posted by nicpillinger
has this been mentioned already?
have been watching the dvd release of twenty four and noticed that cant they manage to use the 24 hour clock correctly?
the segments in the afternoon have times like 04:59:57 ? thats ********. surely if they're going to use that notation they should drop the 0 and make it 4:59pm?
or is it just another american thing - they cant understand 24 hour clocks or what?
i have never noticed this on '24'
you are saying that they use the 12 hour clock at certain points of the story???
grrrrrrrrrrr
sorry for creating this thread. it was a very simple point - the digital clocks used throughout 24 are displayed as a 12hr clock time. However they confuse this by inserting a 0 and not using am / pm.
so at 2 points in the story the clocks show as 01:00, 02:00 etc etc. instead of using the 24hour clock format of 01:00 for the nightime one and 13:00 for the afternoon one.
it annoyed me, thats all.
not all digital clocks do...is there a dot or another indicator though?
Well, I agree with what nic said.
I think it could of been clearer if they used am/pm or (preferably) the 24 hour clock.
James
:dork: @ this thread :->
It's not real! :) Anyway in a universe where Terri and Kim can be as stupid as they were, they probably wouldn't understand the 24 hour clock!
A DEVELOPMENT!
the menus have 24 hour clocks on them - this could be why I was confused/noticed the difference. So you pick 20:00 say from the menu and then the clocks in the program are all 08:00 etc..
I guess the r2 menus were done by some sensible english chap?
Anyone got the r1 to compare?
As far as I remember, and I could check, but it's 5am here and I'm still half asleep, the menus in the R1 are NOT 24-hour clock.
Yes, I have found since I moved to the US that Americans are not as familiar with the 24 hour clock system as we are. Annoyed me about 24 too, but at least as the episodes open you are firmly told whether it is am or pm, so I'm prepared to let them off :-)
have been watching the dvd release of twenty four and noticed that cant they manage to use the 24 hour clock correctly?
the segments in the afternoon have times like 04:59:57 ? thats ********. surely if they're going to use that notation they should drop the 0 and make it 4:59pm?
or is it just another american thing - they cant understand 24 hour clocks or what?
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On a 24 hr clock it should be 16:59:57
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duh, that was my point!
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so why didn't you put it in your original post then? :D
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coz i thought you lot would understand what I was talking about.
fair point though :o
anyway they're wrong aren't they!
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But it looks like many Americans really are unable to use the 24 hour clock - on "Home Improvement" there was this running gag about the father-in-law of Tim Allen's character who always used the 24 hour clock. Allen's character would then start some crazy calculations to find out what that time was.
The same joke has been done on "King of Queens", "Everybody Loves Raymond" and "Friends" - and probably many other shows too.
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It's not wrong, it's only the same as writing 8:05 instead of 8:5, it just makes it a bit clearer to read.
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Originally posted by SvenL
But it looks like many Americans really are unable to use the 24 hour clock
Yep, and they all call it 'military time'. http://www.apdb24.dsl.pipex.com/smilies/slow_laugh.gif
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It's not wrong, it's only the same as writing 8:05 instead of 8:5, it just makes it a bit clearer to read.
:confused:
not if you ask me, 08:05 to me says eight oclock in the morning. 8:05 means it could be either, (i.e. it would help to specify am or pm). 20:05 is obvious.
imho specifying the leading 0 is as good as saying you're using a 24hr clock.
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Originally posted by stephen
It's not wrong, it's only the same as writing 8:05 instead of 8:5, it just makes it a bit clearer to read. Eh?! 8:5 would be 8:50. :nuts:
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Originally posted by Garry Cowell
Eh?! 8:5 would be 8:50. :nuts:
It wouldn't as the : isn't a decimal point, it just seperates two sets of numbers. If 8:5 could be 8:50, then it could also be 80:50
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8:5 just looks stupid, and even more confusing. They should have kept the AM and PM in - but maybe they will for the new series. After all, they were pretty much making things up as they went along in the second half of this one.
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Originally posted by Garry Cowell
Eh?! 8:5 would be 8:50. :nuts:
I don't think so! The leading '0' can only be removed if it doesn't affect the value, therefore a leading '0' can be removed but a trialing one can't. The idea of the leading '0' is to include it for clarity.
By the way nicpillinger I agree with you that a leading zero does normally denote a 24 hour clock but the 24 in the title refers to an elapsed 24 hours not the notation of the time used, confused, I sure am. :D
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Originally posted by stephen
It's not wrong
The whole point of a 24 hour clock is that it goes from 00 - 23. i.e, no time when written down can be confused for am or pm.
So 04:59 standing for just before 5 o'clock in the afternoon IS wrong.
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Originally posted by The Bear
The whole point of a 24 hour clock is that it goes from 00 - 23. i.e, no time when written down can be confused for am or pm.
So 04:59 standing for just before 5 o'clock in the afternoon IS wrong.
If there is a convention stating that a leading zero is added on 24 hour clocks and not on 12 hour clocks then it is wrong, but there is no logical reason why a clock running from 0 to 24 would use a leading zero and one running from 1 - 12 would not, in the samw way there is no logical reason why you write 8:05 instead of 8:5, it's just an accepted convention.
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Originally posted by stephen
If there is a convention stating that a leading zero is added on 24 hour clocks and not on 12 hour clocks then it is wrong, but there is no logical reason why a clock running from 0 to 24 would use a leading zero and one running from 1 - 12 would not, in the samw way there is no logical reason why you write 8:05 instead of 8:5, it's just an accepted convention. There is a reason why 24 hour clocks have a leading zero, and that's so they don't get confused with a 12 hour clock.
e.g. 8:50 - is this a 24hr clock or a 12 hr clock - if it's 24 it would be in the morning. If it's 12 it could be either morning or night.
Whereas 08:50 cannot be confused as being at night.
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uh I thought the whole point was military applications.
The important part is not that its 24 hours but thats its always 4 digits hhmm, the 24hours was to stop ambuigity.
And the reason for 4 digits is programing, it would haven been a pain in the arse if the number digits was variable...and you wouldn't want a missile going off because it got the time wrong.
Also the semicolon shouldn't be there...its a waste of memory which would have been valuable. (eg y2k bug)
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Originally posted by stephen
It's not wrong, it's only the same as writing 8:05 instead of 8:5, it just makes it a bit clearer to read.
8:5 is 8:50
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Originally posted by nicpillinger
has this been mentioned already?
have been watching the dvd release of twenty four and noticed that cant they manage to use the 24 hour clock correctly?
the segments in the afternoon have times like 04:59:57 ? thats ********. surely if they're going to use that notation they should drop the 0 and make it 4:59pm?
or is it just another american thing - they cant understand 24 hour clocks or what?
i have never noticed this on '24'
you are saying that they use the 12 hour clock at certain points of the story???
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grrrrrrrrrrr
sorry for creating this thread. it was a very simple point - the digital clocks used throughout 24 are displayed as a 12hr clock time. However they confuse this by inserting a 0 and not using am / pm.
so at 2 points in the story the clocks show as 01:00, 02:00 etc etc. instead of using the 24hour clock format of 01:00 for the nightime one and 13:00 for the afternoon one.
it annoyed me, thats all.
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not all digital clocks do...is there a dot or another indicator though?
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Well, I agree with what nic said.
I think it could of been clearer if they used am/pm or (preferably) the 24 hour clock.
James
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:dork: @ this thread :->
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It's not real! :) Anyway in a universe where Terri and Kim can be as stupid as they were, they probably wouldn't understand the 24 hour clock!
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A DEVELOPMENT!
the menus have 24 hour clocks on them - this could be why I was confused/noticed the difference. So you pick 20:00 say from the menu and then the clocks in the program are all 08:00 etc..
I guess the r2 menus were done by some sensible english chap?
Anyone got the r1 to compare?
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As far as I remember, and I could check, but it's 5am here and I'm still half asleep, the menus in the R1 are NOT 24-hour clock.
Yes, I have found since I moved to the US that Americans are not as familiar with the 24 hour clock system as we are. Annoyed me about 24 too, but at least as the episodes open you are firmly told whether it is am or pm, so I'm prepared to let them off :-)
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