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Saturday 14th Sept 9:20pm BBC2 .
ok maybe a little early for the heads up, but ive never seen this film before and i am looking forward to watching it.
Woo hoo! Was going to buy the pan & scan from CDwow but this should tide me over until (or if) the special edition comes out next year. :rocker:
Are they showing the whole thing in one evening or spread out over two?
1 evening
9:20pm - 12:55am and BBC have been good with widescreen of late, so hopefully show it in the theatrical ratio, unless it was 2.35:1 which terrestrial TV rarely show.
Also Scum in on Ch4 that night and apperently caligula is on again on ch5 :lol: just 2 weeks after the last showing.
Brilliant film but one you really have to want to see i feel. I still don't think i've seen it all the way through in one sitting. My Dad had a very old VHS version yonks ago, of which i sawbits and pieces and the last time i watched it was when CH4 showed it a few years back spread over two nights.
Some nice music in it too. If you can stay awake i'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Cant wait. I was going to buy the one off cd wow. But since they going show it on BBC2 in widescreen i wont. Thanks for the heads up. :)
According to Sky guide it is in widescreen.:clap:
Thanks for the tip, and I am looking forward to see this masterpiece
:thumbs:
How cool is that considering i just sold my old warner pan+scan vhs on ebay for £16 odd.
ain't life fine somedays:smokin:
OK, if this is being shown in w/s what aspect ratio will it be in? Our friends over at the Internet Movie Database (http://us.imdb.com/Technical?0087843) have it listed as 1.85:1 so will the BBC show it like that? Or do they show in1.77:1
Depending on the answers I get, I may just have to dust down the VCR and buy a four hour tape :D :thumbs:
It might be 1.85:1 but there's hardly a difference between 1.77:1 and 1.85:1 on my telly.
Shame Leone had to frame the picture at 1.85:1 When he watched the pan and scan prints of his previous films, he shot this in above mentioned Aspect Ratio :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/whatson/prog_parse.cgi?FILENAME=20020914/20020914_2115_4224_3196_215
straight from the BBC widescreen
:thumbs:
I have never seen the film before and dont know its certificate. Do you reckon the BBC will cut any thing out, for example violence?
oh yeah if BBC change their schedule, dont blame me ;)
Originally posted by unlucky alf
I have never seen the film before and dont know its certificate. Do you reckon the BBC will cut any thing out, for example violence?
They shouldn't do, BBC 2 dont often cut stuff do they?
hmm, its Ch4 who dont often cut stuff. Not sure about BBC2, but they seem to be quite good.
The rape scene will probably be cut, but that is a BBFC edit (16 secs according to their web site) rather than one by the BBC.
That scene is horrible, very disturbing.
"That scene is horrible, very disturbing."
...so is rape...
. . . :o . . .
21.20 you say.
This is an 18 cert film and I thought it was an unwritten rule that 18 cert films be screened (uncut) only after 22:00.
I know Channel 5 have just cut violence etc between the 21:00 - 22:00 mark and then let them uncut after.
So this will be a curious one.
Especially as its most bloody violence happens in the first 10 minutes.
Having said that, BBC2 don't normal cut their screenings.
Point of note: I've seen many versions of this film but never a complete uncut one.
The opening nipple scene has always been missing on TV broadcasts and BBFC video with the second rape scene untampered with.
I got to see this in the cinema (circa 2000) and it HAD the nipple scene but the second rape scene was snipped! :brickwall
i dont mind about the cuts for now, it will satisfy me till the R1 comes along.
Originally posted by KeyserSoze
i dont mind about the cuts for now, it will satisfy me till the R1 comes along.
When is the R1 coming along?
no idea, but they do say it is coming (i think :o )
and a possbly a SE as well.
Well just had another look at this thread and it is indeed time to dust down the VCR :norty:
Unlucky Alf
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90400&highlight=once+upon+a+time+in+america
this might be a good start
:thumbs:
wanted to see this for ages, cant wait to watch it!! also midnight run :):)
Originally posted by oscar
Unlucky Alf
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90400&highlight=once+upon+a+time+in+america
this might be a good start
:thumbs:
Thanks for the link:)
no worries
:thumbs:
I haven't seen this in years - video will be in use Saturday then :)
bump
Excellent! One for the TIVO!!! Better quality than VHS .... heh heh heh!! :p
havent seen this before but sounds like its a classic ... how come there aint a good dvd release of this??
Hmm
was reading the TV guide and says it is over 4 hours. But also states there are a load of different versions out there.
and the one on tonight is 3 hr 35 mins :(
Getting ready for this classic.
I'm sure I've seen Pesci in this one. Is this the case?
yes he is
:clap:
:rocker: :notworthy :)
I'm definitely going to record it tonight, but I'll wait for reports on if its cut before I watched it.
Why do they say this is Sergio Leone 's Swan song? Did he pass away after making this?
Originally posted by raymondlin
Why do they say this is Sergio Leone 's Swan song? Did he pass away after making this?
It was indeed his last movie. :(
Originally posted by KeyserSoze
Hmm
was reading the TV guide and says it is over 4 hours. But also states there are a load of different versions out there.
and the one on tonight is 3 hr 35 mins :(
Taken from IMDb;
Italian original version of the film is 236 minutes long. The US distributor cut over an hour and a half for the 139 minutes American version; after much critical protest, the film was shown on network TV in a 192 minutes cut and finally was made available in an almost complete 227 version on video which reportedly still omits segments from the scene where Robert De Niro rapes Elizabeth McGovern
According to an interview given by Sergio Leone's son in november 1998, Regency and Warner are planning to reconstruct and re-release Sergio Leone's original 250-minutes director's cut and have requested the missing footage from him. Among the missing sequences that may be restored to the film are:
Noodles as a kid comes back home after the failed attempt to steal the drunk's clock and finds that his father has eaten all his dinner;
Noodles and Max rob a black trumpet player and steal his wallet and trumpet;
Old Noodles (De Niro) notices a black car following him after he leaves Riversdale Cemetetery, and he takes notes of the license plate. The same black car is later seen blowing up in front of senator Bailey's house
Noodles gets drunk after his failed attempt to rape Deborah; he picks up a hooker but falls asleep in the bed instead of having sex with her;
An old Jimmy O'Donnel (Treat Williams) meets senator Bailey and convinces him that suicide is his only way out.
damn no figgin free TV in the house, have to wait till tomorrow till i can finish it off :(
ill browse the forums in the mean time :)
stephen, the cut nipple scene Garry Cowell mentioned is in this broadcast.
not sure about the second rape scene, since i didnt watch all of it.
although i havent seen it before, there hasnt been any obvious cuts so far.
There didn't seem to be any cuts from the last time I saw it on C4 a few years back. Fantastic film, great performances and faces I never noticed before. I love the segments when they are kids and then when Noodles is released and they are young gangsters. For me, a real epic.
same here, what an epic and the music from Ennio Morricone is simply haunting
The second rape scene is there and very disturbing indeed.
The scenes were Max and his uncle Noodles first meet is simply classic
Off to sleep now and report more in the morning
I'd seen it before though there were sections I didn't remember,
definitely a classic .
Did anyone spot who played the
Young Deborah (http://uk.imdb.com/Name?Connelly,+Jennifer)
Originally posted by Brian_JD
I'd seen it before though there were sections I didn't remember,
definitely a classic .
Did anyone spot who played the
Young Deborah (http://uk.imdb.com/Name?Connelly,+Jennifer)
Indeed I did, had the hots for her since 1984,
as for The Hot Spot and Mullhollland Falls:shocker:
Originally posted by Brian_JD
Did anyone spot who played the
Young Deborah (http://uk.imdb.com/Name?Connelly,+Jennifer)
Yep noticed her straight away, again a very good performance. This was my first time with this film last night and it was quite stunning. Why oh why can't it get a W/S DVD release :(
i thought it was jennifer conolly :)
Watched 2 hours and 10 mins of it this morning and the tape chewed up:mad: :mad: :mad: . Crappy VHS. But what id seen of it was good:)
hmm.. dunno what to think of it to be honest.
it runs at a snail's pace and that really, really annoyed the heck out of me. For instance there are long drawn out scenes where DeNiro's wondering about and it takes him forever to get to point B. It gave me the feeling it was trying to be dramatic because hey guess what.. "the score is kicking in, and isn't oh so moving, touching and thought provoking?", but after 5 minutes or so of nothing in various scenes i did get very restless.
It could be cut down and not lose a damn thing as far as story goes. as it is, i think it's way too long, and i think some of the performances (probably DeNiro aside), along the movie itself is over-rated.
For me, the movie started to pick up when DeNiro got out of prison but until then it was a bore chore (even if those pesky kids were up to shannanigans) and i put Sergeo Leone at fault of course for the drag. Alright, he made Once upon a time in the West (a movie i enjoy), but as for this one, i think i was hard pressed to even enjoy half.
still, it did surprise me that i'd see DeNiro in 2 graphic rape scenes in just one movie. (was it cape fear where his character attempted a rape, but wasn't successful?). I just wondered what redemption there was for a character like that, and turned against him on the second one - but then that's the audience's reaction of disgust Leone wanted to achieve, right? However, just because a film provokes a gut reaction doesn't make it great film outright. No cumupance for DeNiro left me feeling cheated (even if it tried to reflect the cruel harsh world of 1930s America).
Boils down to this.. the film shown was over 3 hours. i don't want to see an even longer cut because it dragged and i thought it wasn't great, aside from a few scenes where a lot of potential was squandered.
Arnon Milcham who was the executive producer of this movie had a real stuggle to get this made in the first place with Sergio Leone as they had to cut the movie because of its lenght.
It is also interesting to know that he went on to produce Terry Gilliam's Brazil, also with Robert Deniro and having the studio not like the film, this is well documented in the Criterion DVD of Brazil, and he also produced Ridley Scott's Legend with Tom Cruise. This is another film that got butchered and only very recently has Universal released Legend in a 2 disc set with both the American & European Cut.
So whenever you see the name of Arnon Milcham, very likely it will be controversial. OUATIA is very violent indeed and another brilliant performance by Deniro and James Woods
end of rant
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So those of you who watched it which camp do you fall into...
That the WHOLE of the 60's (old Noodles) segment was an opium fuelled fantasy - that Noodles racked with guilt at having inadvertanely killed his friends dreamt! :shocker:
...or that the 60's segment where <i>really</i> some huge ploy concocted by Max to pull the wool over Noodles eyes for 30 years! :confused:
I would go for nr 2
That's an interesting alternative that would explain the last
scene......
Elizabeth McGovern is gorgeous in this. Met a girl the image of her recently in a niteclub, and she was like.."Who is that? Some say I look like the girl from A Beautiful Mind".."Yes, they look similar" I said.
Originally posted by Brian_JD
That's an interesting alternative that would explain the last
scene...... Indeed and it holds more water if you read the book is based on "The Hoods"The book doesn't contain any 60's segment and it also has lots of depections of Noodles having opium fuelled dreams (of him, Max et al as Knights in Camelot and other wacked out stuff etc) the only reason I can see Leone omitting any reference to the opium dreams was because the 60's segment <I>was</i> the opium dream!
It was just done to be seen BOTH ways. Done so well that the majority of viewer don't even notice...
Infact I'd seen this film about 4 times over the course of 8 years when I read the opium fantasy POV on a teletext review late at night! I was so shocked I couldn't get to sleep for hours! :dork:
However this explaination has to assume that Noodles could see into the future and predict the invention of the TV for his fantasy! :p
...but like you say, why else would that final shot be there!?:smokin:
ok maybe a little early for the heads up, but ive never seen this film before and i am looking forward to watching it.
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Woo hoo! Was going to buy the pan & scan from CDwow but this should tide me over until (or if) the special edition comes out next year. :rocker:
Are they showing the whole thing in one evening or spread out over two?
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1 evening
9:20pm - 12:55am and BBC have been good with widescreen of late, so hopefully show it in the theatrical ratio, unless it was 2.35:1 which terrestrial TV rarely show.
Also Scum in on Ch4 that night and apperently caligula is on again on ch5 :lol: just 2 weeks after the last showing.
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Brilliant film but one you really have to want to see i feel. I still don't think i've seen it all the way through in one sitting. My Dad had a very old VHS version yonks ago, of which i sawbits and pieces and the last time i watched it was when CH4 showed it a few years back spread over two nights.
Some nice music in it too. If you can stay awake i'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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Cant wait. I was going to buy the one off cd wow. But since they going show it on BBC2 in widescreen i wont. Thanks for the heads up. :)
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According to Sky guide it is in widescreen.:clap:
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Thanks for the tip, and I am looking forward to see this masterpiece
:thumbs:
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How cool is that considering i just sold my old warner pan+scan vhs on ebay for £16 odd.
ain't life fine somedays:smokin:
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OK, if this is being shown in w/s what aspect ratio will it be in? Our friends over at the Internet Movie Database (http://us.imdb.com/Technical?0087843) have it listed as 1.85:1 so will the BBC show it like that? Or do they show in1.77:1
Depending on the answers I get, I may just have to dust down the VCR and buy a four hour tape :D :thumbs:
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It might be 1.85:1 but there's hardly a difference between 1.77:1 and 1.85:1 on my telly.
Shame Leone had to frame the picture at 1.85:1 When he watched the pan and scan prints of his previous films, he shot this in above mentioned Aspect Ratio :(
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/whatson/prog_parse.cgi?FILENAME=20020914/20020914_2115_4224_3196_215
straight from the BBC widescreen
:thumbs:
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I have never seen the film before and dont know its certificate. Do you reckon the BBC will cut any thing out, for example violence?
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oh yeah if BBC change their schedule, dont blame me ;)
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Originally posted by unlucky alf
I have never seen the film before and dont know its certificate. Do you reckon the BBC will cut any thing out, for example violence?
They shouldn't do, BBC 2 dont often cut stuff do they?
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hmm, its Ch4 who dont often cut stuff. Not sure about BBC2, but they seem to be quite good.
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The rape scene will probably be cut, but that is a BBFC edit (16 secs according to their web site) rather than one by the BBC.
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That scene is horrible, very disturbing.
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"That scene is horrible, very disturbing."
...so is rape...
. . . :o . . .
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21.20 you say.
This is an 18 cert film and I thought it was an unwritten rule that 18 cert films be screened (uncut) only after 22:00.
I know Channel 5 have just cut violence etc between the 21:00 - 22:00 mark and then let them uncut after.
So this will be a curious one.
Especially as its most bloody violence happens in the first 10 minutes.
Having said that, BBC2 don't normal cut their screenings.
Point of note: I've seen many versions of this film but never a complete uncut one.
The opening nipple scene has always been missing on TV broadcasts and BBFC video with the second rape scene untampered with.
I got to see this in the cinema (circa 2000) and it HAD the nipple scene but the second rape scene was snipped! :brickwall
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i dont mind about the cuts for now, it will satisfy me till the R1 comes along.
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Originally posted by KeyserSoze
i dont mind about the cuts for now, it will satisfy me till the R1 comes along.
When is the R1 coming along?
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no idea, but they do say it is coming (i think :o )
and a possbly a SE as well.
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Well just had another look at this thread and it is indeed time to dust down the VCR :norty:
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Unlucky Alf
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90400&highlight=once+upon+a+time+in+america
this might be a good start
:thumbs:
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wanted to see this for ages, cant wait to watch it!! also midnight run :):)
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Originally posted by oscar
Unlucky Alf
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90400&highlight=once+upon+a+time+in+america
this might be a good start
:thumbs:
Thanks for the link:)
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no worries
:thumbs:
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I haven't seen this in years - video will be in use Saturday then :)
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bump
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Excellent! One for the TIVO!!! Better quality than VHS .... heh heh heh!! :p
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havent seen this before but sounds like its a classic ... how come there aint a good dvd release of this??
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Hmm
was reading the TV guide and says it is over 4 hours. But also states there are a load of different versions out there.
and the one on tonight is 3 hr 35 mins :(
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Getting ready for this classic.
I'm sure I've seen Pesci in this one. Is this the case?
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yes he is
:clap:
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:rocker: :notworthy :)
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I'm definitely going to record it tonight, but I'll wait for reports on if its cut before I watched it.
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Why do they say this is Sergio Leone 's Swan song? Did he pass away after making this?
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Originally posted by raymondlin
Why do they say this is Sergio Leone 's Swan song? Did he pass away after making this?
It was indeed his last movie. :(
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Originally posted by KeyserSoze
Hmm
was reading the TV guide and says it is over 4 hours. But also states there are a load of different versions out there.
and the one on tonight is 3 hr 35 mins :(
Taken from IMDb;
Italian original version of the film is 236 minutes long. The US distributor cut over an hour and a half for the 139 minutes American version; after much critical protest, the film was shown on network TV in a 192 minutes cut and finally was made available in an almost complete 227 version on video which reportedly still omits segments from the scene where Robert De Niro rapes Elizabeth McGovern
According to an interview given by Sergio Leone's son in november 1998, Regency and Warner are planning to reconstruct and re-release Sergio Leone's original 250-minutes director's cut and have requested the missing footage from him. Among the missing sequences that may be restored to the film are:
Noodles as a kid comes back home after the failed attempt to steal the drunk's clock and finds that his father has eaten all his dinner;
Noodles and Max rob a black trumpet player and steal his wallet and trumpet;
Old Noodles (De Niro) notices a black car following him after he leaves Riversdale Cemetetery, and he takes notes of the license plate. The same black car is later seen blowing up in front of senator Bailey's house
Noodles gets drunk after his failed attempt to rape Deborah; he picks up a hooker but falls asleep in the bed instead of having sex with her;
An old Jimmy O'Donnel (Treat Williams) meets senator Bailey and convinces him that suicide is his only way out.
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damn no figgin free TV in the house, have to wait till tomorrow till i can finish it off :(
ill browse the forums in the mean time :)
stephen, the cut nipple scene Garry Cowell mentioned is in this broadcast.
not sure about the second rape scene, since i didnt watch all of it.
although i havent seen it before, there hasnt been any obvious cuts so far.
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There didn't seem to be any cuts from the last time I saw it on C4 a few years back. Fantastic film, great performances and faces I never noticed before. I love the segments when they are kids and then when Noodles is released and they are young gangsters. For me, a real epic.
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same here, what an epic and the music from Ennio Morricone is simply haunting
The second rape scene is there and very disturbing indeed.
The scenes were Max and his uncle Noodles first meet is simply classic
Off to sleep now and report more in the morning
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I'd seen it before though there were sections I didn't remember,
definitely a classic .
Did anyone spot who played the
Young Deborah (http://uk.imdb.com/Name?Connelly,+Jennifer)
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Originally posted by Brian_JD
I'd seen it before though there were sections I didn't remember,
definitely a classic .
Did anyone spot who played the
Young Deborah (http://uk.imdb.com/Name?Connelly,+Jennifer)
Indeed I did, had the hots for her since 1984,
as for The Hot Spot and Mullhollland Falls:shocker:
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Originally posted by Brian_JD
Did anyone spot who played the
Young Deborah (http://uk.imdb.com/Name?Connelly,+Jennifer)
Yep noticed her straight away, again a very good performance. This was my first time with this film last night and it was quite stunning. Why oh why can't it get a W/S DVD release :(
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i thought it was jennifer conolly :)
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Watched 2 hours and 10 mins of it this morning and the tape chewed up:mad: :mad: :mad: . Crappy VHS. But what id seen of it was good:)
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hmm.. dunno what to think of it to be honest.
it runs at a snail's pace and that really, really annoyed the heck out of me. For instance there are long drawn out scenes where DeNiro's wondering about and it takes him forever to get to point B. It gave me the feeling it was trying to be dramatic because hey guess what.. "the score is kicking in, and isn't oh so moving, touching and thought provoking?", but after 5 minutes or so of nothing in various scenes i did get very restless.
It could be cut down and not lose a damn thing as far as story goes. as it is, i think it's way too long, and i think some of the performances (probably DeNiro aside), along the movie itself is over-rated.
For me, the movie started to pick up when DeNiro got out of prison but until then it was a bore chore (even if those pesky kids were up to shannanigans) and i put Sergeo Leone at fault of course for the drag. Alright, he made Once upon a time in the West (a movie i enjoy), but as for this one, i think i was hard pressed to even enjoy half.
still, it did surprise me that i'd see DeNiro in 2 graphic rape scenes in just one movie. (was it cape fear where his character attempted a rape, but wasn't successful?). I just wondered what redemption there was for a character like that, and turned against him on the second one - but then that's the audience's reaction of disgust Leone wanted to achieve, right? However, just because a film provokes a gut reaction doesn't make it great film outright. No cumupance for DeNiro left me feeling cheated (even if it tried to reflect the cruel harsh world of 1930s America).
Boils down to this.. the film shown was over 3 hours. i don't want to see an even longer cut because it dragged and i thought it wasn't great, aside from a few scenes where a lot of potential was squandered.
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Arnon Milcham who was the executive producer of this movie had a real stuggle to get this made in the first place with Sergio Leone as they had to cut the movie because of its lenght.
It is also interesting to know that he went on to produce Terry Gilliam's Brazil, also with Robert Deniro and having the studio not like the film, this is well documented in the Criterion DVD of Brazil, and he also produced Ridley Scott's Legend with Tom Cruise. This is another film that got butchered and only very recently has Universal released Legend in a 2 disc set with both the American & European Cut.
So whenever you see the name of Arnon Milcham, very likely it will be controversial. OUATIA is very violent indeed and another brilliant performance by Deniro and James Woods
end of rant
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So those of you who watched it which camp do you fall into...
That the WHOLE of the 60's (old Noodles) segment was an opium fuelled fantasy - that Noodles racked with guilt at having inadvertanely killed his friends dreamt! :shocker:
...or that the 60's segment where <i>really</i> some huge ploy concocted by Max to pull the wool over Noodles eyes for 30 years! :confused:
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I would go for nr 2
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That's an interesting alternative that would explain the last
scene......
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Elizabeth McGovern is gorgeous in this. Met a girl the image of her recently in a niteclub, and she was like.."Who is that? Some say I look like the girl from A Beautiful Mind".."Yes, they look similar" I said.
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Originally posted by Brian_JD
That's an interesting alternative that would explain the last
scene...... Indeed and it holds more water if you read the book is based on "The Hoods"The book doesn't contain any 60's segment and it also has lots of depections of Noodles having opium fuelled dreams (of him, Max et al as Knights in Camelot and other wacked out stuff etc) the only reason I can see Leone omitting any reference to the opium dreams was because the 60's segment <I>was</i> the opium dream!
It was just done to be seen BOTH ways. Done so well that the majority of viewer don't even notice...
Infact I'd seen this film about 4 times over the course of 8 years when I read the opium fantasy POV on a teletext review late at night! I was so shocked I couldn't get to sleep for hours! :dork:
However this explaination has to assume that Noodles could see into the future and predict the invention of the TV for his fantasy! :p
...but like you say, why else would that final shot be there!?:smokin:
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