Question:
Just started work on a dedicated cinema room in the house.
Set up will be;
Panny AE300
7' Wide electric screen
Pioneer DSX 912 amp
Kef Mk 2 Eggs
What I would like to know is;
would I get a big difference between installing a 7.1 (extra 2 rear centre speakers) compared to a 5.1 or 6.1 system?
I can easily buy another 2 eggs for the 7.1 system, but only if it is worth it :)
Any views?
If you're going to the expense of setting up a dedicated HC room, it might be a good idea to invest in the full shebang (7.1) at the outset. That way you get to install it in one go and there's no fannying about with additional wiring at a later date.
The thing to remember is not just how many satellite speakers you have, but also the quality and number of subs you have. I'd have two decent ones in a dedicated HC room, unless it was pitifully small. You'll certainly need them with the Kef Eggs.
I would say yes, I have my Pioneer setup as 6.1, but am considering moving it to 7.1 in the near future. The 7.1 give better definition at the rear.
I had a spare set of speakers so I went from 7.1 up from 6.1
Seems a bit better, though its worth noting there are NO 7.1 encoded DVDs so all you are getting is the 6.1 channel duplicated across the 6.1 / 7.1 speakers.
I went from a 5.1 setup to a 6.1 and I must say that I am a bit dissapointed.
Havent noticed much improvement over 5.1 even though the whole world says 6.1 is a massive improvement??
Could be just my heathen ears though??
You will have a problem going to 7.1 with that amp - it only supports 6.1.
6.1 can sound good but with all the matrix decoding going on (even on discrete DTS-ES titles) it needs room to work, otherwise the rear soundfield sounds a bit 'collapsed' and artificial. The hearing in my right ear isn't too great either, so even decent centre rear set-ups (ie not mine) don't have the impact that they perhaps should. So I went back to 5.1 and I've been very happy since.
You will have a problem going to 7.1 with that amp - it only supports 6.1
Not according to the instruction booklet AND the 7 sets of speaker posts;
Front L/R x 2
Centre x1
Surround Front L/R x 2
Surround Back L/R x 2
and the sub connector :D
So still not convinced about the extra 2 rear speakers :(
Maybe I should put the wiring in anyway and I could always upgrade when I want to :)
Originally posted by zorro
Not according to the instruction booklet AND the 7 sets of speaker posts;
Front L/R x 2
Centre x1
Surround Front L/R x 2
Surround Back L/R x 2
and the sub connector :D
So still not convinced about the extra 2 rear speakers :(
Maybe I should put the wiring in anyway and I could always upgrade when I want to :)
But according to Pioneer's website, it's only a 6 channel amp ?
To get 7 channel amplification you have to go to the 1011.
Am confused !!
Yep - it is confusing!
Pioneer website;
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_detail.jsp?product_id=3750&taxonomy_id=62-98
Which confirms;
Multi-Channel Input 7.1 ch (DVD)
Surround Modes - Advanced MUSIC, Advanced MOVIE, Expanded Theater, Virtual surround back, Sports Surround, Phones Surround, Game Mode, TV Surround Mode, 6-Channel Stereo, Advanced Surround: 7 + 1
Surround Front 2 x 100 W (8 Ohm, 1% THD, 1kHz)
Surround Centre 100 W (8 Ohm, 1% THD, 1kHz)
Rear (Surround) 2 x 100 W (8 Ohm, 1% THD, 1kHz)
Surround Back 100 W (8 Ohm, 1 % THD, 1kHz)
So, I don't know!!!!!
But according to the manual, it DEFINATELY has the connections for 2 rear centre speakers - unless the manual is wrong
:suspect:
Being delivered tomorrow (although I will not be home!!), so should see then :)
It has connection for two rear speakers but is 6.1 only. As there is no 7.1 sourced material at the moment this isn't a problem. Going 7.1 on the speakers basically just helps the rear definiation. Definately go 6.1 as a minimum though as you do get a good benefit from that (this is how I currently have my Pioneer setup)
Excellent!
Thanks for clearing that up :thumbs:
6.1 it is then :D
Originally posted by The Icebun
But according to Pioneer's website, it's only a 6 channel amp ?
To get 7 channel amplification you have to go to the 1011.
not necessarily, even with a 6 channel amp, you can always wire 2 rear speakers in series (doubles the load but usually okay).
1 rear speaker can work well, but 2 does give a better field.
pretty sure I read that acoustically sound directly from behind can be interpreted by as coming from in front... so 2 speakers does help or a speaker that diffuses sound better (bipole etc).
Originally posted by MartinC
not necessarily, even with a 6 channel amp, you can always wire 2 rear speakers in series (doubles the load but usually okay).
1 rear speaker can work well, but 2 does give a better field.
pretty sure I read that acoustically sound directly from behind can be interpreted by as coming from in front... so 2 speakers does help or a speaker that diffuses sound better (bipole etc).
Exactly (that's what I said above but not as clear or in as many words :) ). This is what the mid-range Pioneer's do, the high-end ones do have 7 amps though AFAIK :)
Set up will be;
Panny AE300
7' Wide electric screen
Pioneer DSX 912 amp
Kef Mk 2 Eggs
What I would like to know is;
would I get a big difference between installing a 7.1 (extra 2 rear centre speakers) compared to a 5.1 or 6.1 system?
I can easily buy another 2 eggs for the 7.1 system, but only if it is worth it :)
Any views?
Answers:
If you're going to the expense of setting up a dedicated HC room, it might be a good idea to invest in the full shebang (7.1) at the outset. That way you get to install it in one go and there's no fannying about with additional wiring at a later date.
The thing to remember is not just how many satellite speakers you have, but also the quality and number of subs you have. I'd have two decent ones in a dedicated HC room, unless it was pitifully small. You'll certainly need them with the Kef Eggs.
Answers:
I would say yes, I have my Pioneer setup as 6.1, but am considering moving it to 7.1 in the near future. The 7.1 give better definition at the rear.
Answers:
I had a spare set of speakers so I went from 7.1 up from 6.1
Seems a bit better, though its worth noting there are NO 7.1 encoded DVDs so all you are getting is the 6.1 channel duplicated across the 6.1 / 7.1 speakers.
Answers:
I went from a 5.1 setup to a 6.1 and I must say that I am a bit dissapointed.
Havent noticed much improvement over 5.1 even though the whole world says 6.1 is a massive improvement??
Could be just my heathen ears though??
Answers:
You will have a problem going to 7.1 with that amp - it only supports 6.1.
Answers:
6.1 can sound good but with all the matrix decoding going on (even on discrete DTS-ES titles) it needs room to work, otherwise the rear soundfield sounds a bit 'collapsed' and artificial. The hearing in my right ear isn't too great either, so even decent centre rear set-ups (ie not mine) don't have the impact that they perhaps should. So I went back to 5.1 and I've been very happy since.
Answers:
You will have a problem going to 7.1 with that amp - it only supports 6.1
Not according to the instruction booklet AND the 7 sets of speaker posts;
Front L/R x 2
Centre x1
Surround Front L/R x 2
Surround Back L/R x 2
and the sub connector :D
So still not convinced about the extra 2 rear speakers :(
Maybe I should put the wiring in anyway and I could always upgrade when I want to :)
Answers:
Originally posted by zorro
Not according to the instruction booklet AND the 7 sets of speaker posts;
Front L/R x 2
Centre x1
Surround Front L/R x 2
Surround Back L/R x 2
and the sub connector :D
So still not convinced about the extra 2 rear speakers :(
Maybe I should put the wiring in anyway and I could always upgrade when I want to :)
But according to Pioneer's website, it's only a 6 channel amp ?
To get 7 channel amplification you have to go to the 1011.
Am confused !!
Answers:
Yep - it is confusing!
Pioneer website;
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_detail.jsp?product_id=3750&taxonomy_id=62-98
Which confirms;
Multi-Channel Input 7.1 ch (DVD)
Surround Modes - Advanced MUSIC, Advanced MOVIE, Expanded Theater, Virtual surround back, Sports Surround, Phones Surround, Game Mode, TV Surround Mode, 6-Channel Stereo, Advanced Surround: 7 + 1
Surround Front 2 x 100 W (8 Ohm, 1% THD, 1kHz)
Surround Centre 100 W (8 Ohm, 1% THD, 1kHz)
Rear (Surround) 2 x 100 W (8 Ohm, 1% THD, 1kHz)
Surround Back 100 W (8 Ohm, 1 % THD, 1kHz)
So, I don't know!!!!!
But according to the manual, it DEFINATELY has the connections for 2 rear centre speakers - unless the manual is wrong
:suspect:
Being delivered tomorrow (although I will not be home!!), so should see then :)
Answers:
It has connection for two rear speakers but is 6.1 only. As there is no 7.1 sourced material at the moment this isn't a problem. Going 7.1 on the speakers basically just helps the rear definiation. Definately go 6.1 as a minimum though as you do get a good benefit from that (this is how I currently have my Pioneer setup)
Answers:
Excellent!
Thanks for clearing that up :thumbs:
6.1 it is then :D
Answers:
Originally posted by The Icebun
But according to Pioneer's website, it's only a 6 channel amp ?
To get 7 channel amplification you have to go to the 1011.
not necessarily, even with a 6 channel amp, you can always wire 2 rear speakers in series (doubles the load but usually okay).
1 rear speaker can work well, but 2 does give a better field.
pretty sure I read that acoustically sound directly from behind can be interpreted by as coming from in front... so 2 speakers does help or a speaker that diffuses sound better (bipole etc).
Answers:
Originally posted by MartinC
not necessarily, even with a 6 channel amp, you can always wire 2 rear speakers in series (doubles the load but usually okay).
1 rear speaker can work well, but 2 does give a better field.
pretty sure I read that acoustically sound directly from behind can be interpreted by as coming from in front... so 2 speakers does help or a speaker that diffuses sound better (bipole etc).
Exactly (that's what I said above but not as clear or in as many words :) ). This is what the mid-range Pioneer's do, the high-end ones do have 7 amps though AFAIK :)
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