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almost dipping in for the Panny but I just need to be sure I can connect Sky to it for those all important Premier League matches in coming weeks...
Has anyone got one of these projectors all hooked up to Sky? How in heck's name would I do it?
Much appreciated.
whether
Scart to 3 phones, or if your Sky Box has a VGA cable i think you can get RGB that way.
I have my Panny in my bedroom and sky sent through a video sender and image is still very good, so either way you'll get a decent picture. Rizel
thanks a mill, Rizel.
After I asked I scouted the bargain post about this projector, and Brad123 said he uses S-Video. But as far as I'm aware, my Sky box doesn't have S-Video out?
Rizel, would you recommend buying this projector for watching footy, DVDs and - if poss - playing XBox?
It's pricey at £140, but this piece of kit will take the best quality RGB signal from your Sky box and convert it to component, which the AE100 will accept. It gets raves on the AV forum.
http://www.rgbtosvideo.com/rgb-yuv/rgb-yuv.htm
As for S-Video on Sky - well, the Sky+ boxes have S-Video out and I believe one of the older obsolete Sky boxes did too. None of the current ones do.
The above converter is the very best possible picture you are likely to get.
I watch sky on the panny through a Pro-V box, cost me less than £100 and gives a great picture once you set it up right :)
http://www.syncblaster.com/ProV_progressive_scan_convertor.html
powlest - that sounds in order. What leads would I need to connect my Sky box to the Pro-V, and from the Pro-V to the projector?
I send my sky to the Pro-V on a coposite lead like this (http://custom1.farnell.com/cpc/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CPC+Catalogue&product%5Fid=30904) although you could use a scart breakout box and a single phono for the video. The Pro-V then connects to the projector with a VGA lead, it comes with one about 2m long one but I needed a 10m run so I bought a nice lindy-Gold cable here (http://www.lindy.com/uk/productfolder/03/37248/index.php).
Setting it up can be a little bit tricky so I connected up my dvd player through the s-video port on the Pro-V then ran the Avia (http://www.ovationsw.com/avia.html) setup disk (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/630551982X/102-2857604-6146540?vi=glance) to get things looking about right then tweaked it to produce the best sky picture I could get, it really does look pretty damn nice now :D
Eek - composite video is the worst possible output you can give your projector, ProV or not. Go for a converted RGB signal (as per my post above) or do a search on this forum for more advice from the "pros": http://www.avforums.co.uk - there's tons of good AE100 info on there.
If you have a ProV box, buying a RGB to S-Video converter and hooking that into the ProV will do wonders. But I'd still go for the straight RGB to component converter first.
this has thrown up a whole raft of questions - but doubtless others will benefit.
I'll do them in no order whatsoever:
1. What leads do I need to connect up my Digibox to this RGB/component convertor, and from the convertor to the AE100? Am I right in saying all you need from the Digibox is a SCART? And if so, since you're using a convertor, does the old adage of "buy the best cable you can afford" still apply?
2. Would I be able to use this to hook up my Xbox to the Panny?
And...
3. You see DVDs saying DTS and DPLII enabled, right. Do they have to have this if you want that sound standard, or would a DTS amp do the same thing for a standard DVD player?
4. Anyone know a decent, but not TOO pricey, DVD player with prog scan to use with this projector?
I know, the last question was a bit sneaky...
Oh, sod it:
5. When you're taking a signal from the Sky digibox, would it really be worth justifying the extra £80 in getting an RGB/component convertor compared to an RGB/S-Video convertor from maplin?
:thumbs:
Originally posted by stormywhether
this has thrown up a whole raft of questions - but doubtless others will benefit.
Would I be able to use this to hook up my Xbox to the Panny?
:thumbs:
I was thinking a Xbox S-VHS cable would be just as good?
Originally posted by Masha
I was thinking a Xbox S-VHS cable would be just as good?
That's what i'm using. Gold plated from poundland a few weeks back. I knew it would come in handy one day and for £1 you can't grumble
excellent! got one, although suspiciously more costly thanks in no small part to the MadCats (grrrrrrrrrrrreow!) branding.
Anyway, that's that done.
Anyone care to assist on the RGB to component or RGB to S-Video dilemma? £80's a load of cash but if it makes a big difference to Sky, i.e. makes footy watchable, so be it.
Incidentally, it looks like the Panny will be sat upstairs in the second bedroom cum chillout lounge. But the Sky box is downstairs.
Now I have one of them Philips VideoSenders; would it be just as well to get Sky+ so I can lodge that box in this bedroom zone, or could the VideoSender work?
If yes to the latter, anyone know where I could buy an extra single VideoSender receiver?
Originally posted by stormywhether
this has thrown up a whole raft of questions - but doubtless others will benefit.
I'll do them in no order whatsoever:
1. What leads do I need to connect up my Digibox to this RGB/component convertor, and from the convertor to the AE100? Am I right in saying all you need from the Digibox is a SCART? And if so, since you're using a convertor, does the old adage of "buy the best cable you can afford" still apply?
2. Would I be able to use this to hook up my Xbox to the Panny?
And...
3. You see DVDs saying DTS and DPLII enabled, right. Do they have to have this if you want that sound standard, or would a DTS amp do the same thing for a standard DVD player?
4. Anyone know a decent, but not TOO pricey, DVD player with prog scan to use with this projector?
I know, the last question was a bit sneaky...
Oh, sod it:
5. When you're taking a signal from the Sky digibox, would it really be worth justifying the extra £80 in getting an RGB/component convertor compared to an RGB/S-Video convertor from maplin?
:thumbs:
1. You'll just a SCART to SCART lead to go from the digibox to the adaptor, then three phono leads to go into the projector. The adaptor also has phono audio outs to stick into your amp.
2. Yes could use the adaptor. Alternatively you could use the Xbox hi-def component leads and set the machine to progressive scan output for the ULTIMATE picture! Plug in the component leads, go to where you usually set PAL60 on the Xbox dashboard and you'll find progressive scan options waiting for you :thumbs:
3. Not sure I get you, but I think if the DVD player has an optical or coaxial output, and your amp handles DTS, you'll get DTS.
4. Harmon Kardon DVD25/ DVD 2550 - about £300? See the Power Buys forum. Richer Sounds do a Limit player with both PAL and NTSC progressive scan which is about £150, but apparently the picture isn't spectacular.
5. Yes. For two reasons. Firstly, RGB is far superior as an image source compared to S-Video. Secondly, if you were hellbent on using S-Video, you really should get one of these, not the Maplin one: http://www.rgbtosvideo.com/rgb-sv/rgb-circuit.htm - this guy's equipment is the BEST.
Originally posted by stormywhether
Anyone care to assist on the RGB to component or RGB to S-Video dilemma? £80's a load of cash but if it makes a big difference to Sky, i.e. makes footy watchable, so be it.
Well I'd certainly pay it. If you're going to spend tons of cash on a projector, it's almost rude not to give it the best possible signal.
Originally posted by wozwebs
That's what i'm using. Gold plated from poundland a few weeks back. I knew it would come in handy one day and for £1 you can't grumble
£1 is an incredible bargain, but when you have the spare sponds, consider the Xbox high definition component leads, then set up your Xbox for progressive scan action (see my post above). You will not regret it.
Originally posted by Grandmaster
£1 is an incredible bargain, but when you have the spare sponds, consider the Xbox high definition component leads, then set up your Xbox for progressive scan action (see my post above). You will not regret it.
Thanks for ALL your help, Grandmaster - have tried avforums and pretty much everywhere but I haven't got this level of advice anywhere else!
:)
One thing tho - never heard of these hi-def component leads for the Xbox. Know where I could source them?
And another query (sorrrrrrrrrrryyyy!) - you said that RGB is a far better source than S-Video, which I accept.
But surely if there are two options - convert RGB to S-Video for £80 less than converting RGB to component - then the actual source is the same, no?
Last one - the component convertor, you say has phono audio outs. What sort of cables do I use here, and where do they plug into in the amp?
After forking out £140 for the convertor, wouldn't it be simpler just to buy a Sky+ box and connect directly via S-Video? Although I presume then the picture quality would be inferior?
Thanks SO much!
Originally posted by Grandmaster
2. Yes could use the adaptor. Alternatively you could use the Xbox hi-def component leads and set the machine to progressive scan output for the ULTIMATE picture! Plug in the component leads, go to where you usually set PAL60 on the Xbox dashboard and you'll find progressive scan options waiting for you :thumbs:
I got the impression these were only for US machines.
incidentally as regards the RGB to component convertor - I'm going to throw this into the mix, at a saving of £60 on the one Grandmaster specced.
Dunno if there's much difference...
http://www.keene.co.uk/system/keene.htm
and product code RGB2C
Originally posted by stormywhether
incidentally as regards the RGB to component convertor - I'm going to throw this into the mix, at a saving of £60 on the one Grandmaster specced.
Dunno if there's much difference...
http://www.keene.co.uk/system/keene.htm
and product code RGB2C
Well it'll work but the consensus on the AV forums is that the John Sims stuff I linked to is easily the best quality. Having spoken to Dr Sims in the dim and distant past, he certainly knows his onions.
Originally posted by Masha
I got the impression these were only for US machines.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh I think you're right. I'm actually using one of these:
http://www.digital-x.de/KNOWHOW/XBOX/xbox_dx_vga_box/xbox_dx_vga_box.htm#9999
This guarantees you a 480p progressive scan VGA output for the Xbox and works on PAL machines, guaranteed :) Pricey mind...
Originally posted by stormywhether
And another query (sorrrrrrrrrrryyyy!) - you said that RGB is a far better source than S-Video, which I accept.
But surely if there are two options - convert RGB to S-Video for £80 less than converting RGB to component - then the actual source is the same, no?
Last one - the component convertor, you say has phono audio outs. What sort of cables do I use here, and where do they plug into in the amp?
After forking out £140 for the convertor, wouldn't it be simpler just to buy a Sky+ box and connect directly via S-Video? Although I presume then the picture quality would be inferior?
Thanks SO much!
First point - the source isn't the same. It's just like DVD - you'd rather use RGB SCART than S-Video or composite, so you would on Sky. RGB reproduces the original source as closely as possible.
The component converter just has two phono leads for stereo output. I suspect that you'd have a coaxial/optical output which would go straight to your amp for 5.1, in which case you don't need to bother with the phono leads.
Last point - yeah you're probably right, it would be a lot more straightforward, and if you're on a budget it would probably make more sense. Sky+ is brilliant (though I will be getting the Dr Sims plasma box)
Had a wonder into town at lunch and managed to grab an imported xbox high definition AV Pack from my local another world.
Not sure if its going to work with a UK machine but I'll have a play around when it arrives later this week.
Originally posted by Masha
Had a wonder into town at lunch and managed to grab an imported xbox high definition AV Pack from my local another world.
Not sure if its going to work with a UK machine but I'll have a play around when it arrives later this week.
Pretty sure they work, but you don't get progressive scan from a PAL X-Box, just interlaced component. I believe the Pal X-Box can be 'persuaded' to output progressive scan if you don't mind invalidating your warranty.
Originally posted by neilalford
I believe the Pal X-Box can be 'persuaded' to output progressive scan if you don't mind invalidating your warranty.
I waved goodbye to that along time ago, if you have more info please feel free to email me if its not appropraite for the forums
Originally posted by Masha
I waved goodbye to that along time ago, if you have more info please feel free to email me if its not appropraite for the forums
I'm afraid I don't know the details, I've just heard it mentioned on the forums before. My X-Box is an American one anyway so I've never needed to find out how it's actually done! Sounds like you're most of the way there already!
Grandmaster - this plasma box you talk of, I take it you now have a plasma screen, and it's not just a better quality projector input maker?
And neilalford - which would produce the better picture, Sky+ or the conventional Digibox through the RGB/component convertor?
Cheers mucho!
Just given the projector its first airing - even using DVD and lowly S-Video - and all i can say is... woweeeeeeee!
It was on for at least four minutes and the bulb didn't pop once!
:clap:
Has anyone got one of these projectors all hooked up to Sky? How in heck's name would I do it?
Much appreciated.
whether
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Scart to 3 phones, or if your Sky Box has a VGA cable i think you can get RGB that way.
I have my Panny in my bedroom and sky sent through a video sender and image is still very good, so either way you'll get a decent picture. Rizel
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thanks a mill, Rizel.
After I asked I scouted the bargain post about this projector, and Brad123 said he uses S-Video. But as far as I'm aware, my Sky box doesn't have S-Video out?
Rizel, would you recommend buying this projector for watching footy, DVDs and - if poss - playing XBox?
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It's pricey at £140, but this piece of kit will take the best quality RGB signal from your Sky box and convert it to component, which the AE100 will accept. It gets raves on the AV forum.
http://www.rgbtosvideo.com/rgb-yuv/rgb-yuv.htm
As for S-Video on Sky - well, the Sky+ boxes have S-Video out and I believe one of the older obsolete Sky boxes did too. None of the current ones do.
The above converter is the very best possible picture you are likely to get.
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I watch sky on the panny through a Pro-V box, cost me less than £100 and gives a great picture once you set it up right :)
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http://www.syncblaster.com/ProV_progressive_scan_convertor.html
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powlest - that sounds in order. What leads would I need to connect my Sky box to the Pro-V, and from the Pro-V to the projector?
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I send my sky to the Pro-V on a coposite lead like this (http://custom1.farnell.com/cpc/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CPC+Catalogue&product%5Fid=30904) although you could use a scart breakout box and a single phono for the video. The Pro-V then connects to the projector with a VGA lead, it comes with one about 2m long one but I needed a 10m run so I bought a nice lindy-Gold cable here (http://www.lindy.com/uk/productfolder/03/37248/index.php).
Setting it up can be a little bit tricky so I connected up my dvd player through the s-video port on the Pro-V then ran the Avia (http://www.ovationsw.com/avia.html) setup disk (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/630551982X/102-2857604-6146540?vi=glance) to get things looking about right then tweaked it to produce the best sky picture I could get, it really does look pretty damn nice now :D
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Eek - composite video is the worst possible output you can give your projector, ProV or not. Go for a converted RGB signal (as per my post above) or do a search on this forum for more advice from the "pros": http://www.avforums.co.uk - there's tons of good AE100 info on there.
If you have a ProV box, buying a RGB to S-Video converter and hooking that into the ProV will do wonders. But I'd still go for the straight RGB to component converter first.
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this has thrown up a whole raft of questions - but doubtless others will benefit.
I'll do them in no order whatsoever:
1. What leads do I need to connect up my Digibox to this RGB/component convertor, and from the convertor to the AE100? Am I right in saying all you need from the Digibox is a SCART? And if so, since you're using a convertor, does the old adage of "buy the best cable you can afford" still apply?
2. Would I be able to use this to hook up my Xbox to the Panny?
And...
3. You see DVDs saying DTS and DPLII enabled, right. Do they have to have this if you want that sound standard, or would a DTS amp do the same thing for a standard DVD player?
4. Anyone know a decent, but not TOO pricey, DVD player with prog scan to use with this projector?
I know, the last question was a bit sneaky...
Oh, sod it:
5. When you're taking a signal from the Sky digibox, would it really be worth justifying the extra £80 in getting an RGB/component convertor compared to an RGB/S-Video convertor from maplin?
:thumbs:
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Originally posted by stormywhether
this has thrown up a whole raft of questions - but doubtless others will benefit.
Would I be able to use this to hook up my Xbox to the Panny?
:thumbs:
I was thinking a Xbox S-VHS cable would be just as good?
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Originally posted by Masha
I was thinking a Xbox S-VHS cable would be just as good?
That's what i'm using. Gold plated from poundland a few weeks back. I knew it would come in handy one day and for £1 you can't grumble
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excellent! got one, although suspiciously more costly thanks in no small part to the MadCats (grrrrrrrrrrrreow!) branding.
Anyway, that's that done.
Anyone care to assist on the RGB to component or RGB to S-Video dilemma? £80's a load of cash but if it makes a big difference to Sky, i.e. makes footy watchable, so be it.
Incidentally, it looks like the Panny will be sat upstairs in the second bedroom cum chillout lounge. But the Sky box is downstairs.
Now I have one of them Philips VideoSenders; would it be just as well to get Sky+ so I can lodge that box in this bedroom zone, or could the VideoSender work?
If yes to the latter, anyone know where I could buy an extra single VideoSender receiver?
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Originally posted by stormywhether
this has thrown up a whole raft of questions - but doubtless others will benefit.
I'll do them in no order whatsoever:
1. What leads do I need to connect up my Digibox to this RGB/component convertor, and from the convertor to the AE100? Am I right in saying all you need from the Digibox is a SCART? And if so, since you're using a convertor, does the old adage of "buy the best cable you can afford" still apply?
2. Would I be able to use this to hook up my Xbox to the Panny?
And...
3. You see DVDs saying DTS and DPLII enabled, right. Do they have to have this if you want that sound standard, or would a DTS amp do the same thing for a standard DVD player?
4. Anyone know a decent, but not TOO pricey, DVD player with prog scan to use with this projector?
I know, the last question was a bit sneaky...
Oh, sod it:
5. When you're taking a signal from the Sky digibox, would it really be worth justifying the extra £80 in getting an RGB/component convertor compared to an RGB/S-Video convertor from maplin?
:thumbs:
1. You'll just a SCART to SCART lead to go from the digibox to the adaptor, then three phono leads to go into the projector. The adaptor also has phono audio outs to stick into your amp.
2. Yes could use the adaptor. Alternatively you could use the Xbox hi-def component leads and set the machine to progressive scan output for the ULTIMATE picture! Plug in the component leads, go to where you usually set PAL60 on the Xbox dashboard and you'll find progressive scan options waiting for you :thumbs:
3. Not sure I get you, but I think if the DVD player has an optical or coaxial output, and your amp handles DTS, you'll get DTS.
4. Harmon Kardon DVD25/ DVD 2550 - about £300? See the Power Buys forum. Richer Sounds do a Limit player with both PAL and NTSC progressive scan which is about £150, but apparently the picture isn't spectacular.
5. Yes. For two reasons. Firstly, RGB is far superior as an image source compared to S-Video. Secondly, if you were hellbent on using S-Video, you really should get one of these, not the Maplin one: http://www.rgbtosvideo.com/rgb-sv/rgb-circuit.htm - this guy's equipment is the BEST.
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Originally posted by stormywhether
Anyone care to assist on the RGB to component or RGB to S-Video dilemma? £80's a load of cash but if it makes a big difference to Sky, i.e. makes footy watchable, so be it.
Well I'd certainly pay it. If you're going to spend tons of cash on a projector, it's almost rude not to give it the best possible signal.
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Originally posted by wozwebs
That's what i'm using. Gold plated from poundland a few weeks back. I knew it would come in handy one day and for £1 you can't grumble
£1 is an incredible bargain, but when you have the spare sponds, consider the Xbox high definition component leads, then set up your Xbox for progressive scan action (see my post above). You will not regret it.
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Originally posted by Grandmaster
£1 is an incredible bargain, but when you have the spare sponds, consider the Xbox high definition component leads, then set up your Xbox for progressive scan action (see my post above). You will not regret it.
Thanks for ALL your help, Grandmaster - have tried avforums and pretty much everywhere but I haven't got this level of advice anywhere else!
:)
One thing tho - never heard of these hi-def component leads for the Xbox. Know where I could source them?
And another query (sorrrrrrrrrrryyyy!) - you said that RGB is a far better source than S-Video, which I accept.
But surely if there are two options - convert RGB to S-Video for £80 less than converting RGB to component - then the actual source is the same, no?
Last one - the component convertor, you say has phono audio outs. What sort of cables do I use here, and where do they plug into in the amp?
After forking out £140 for the convertor, wouldn't it be simpler just to buy a Sky+ box and connect directly via S-Video? Although I presume then the picture quality would be inferior?
Thanks SO much!
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Originally posted by Grandmaster
2. Yes could use the adaptor. Alternatively you could use the Xbox hi-def component leads and set the machine to progressive scan output for the ULTIMATE picture! Plug in the component leads, go to where you usually set PAL60 on the Xbox dashboard and you'll find progressive scan options waiting for you :thumbs:
I got the impression these were only for US machines.
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incidentally as regards the RGB to component convertor - I'm going to throw this into the mix, at a saving of £60 on the one Grandmaster specced.
Dunno if there's much difference...
http://www.keene.co.uk/system/keene.htm
and product code RGB2C
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Originally posted by stormywhether
incidentally as regards the RGB to component convertor - I'm going to throw this into the mix, at a saving of £60 on the one Grandmaster specced.
Dunno if there's much difference...
http://www.keene.co.uk/system/keene.htm
and product code RGB2C
Well it'll work but the consensus on the AV forums is that the John Sims stuff I linked to is easily the best quality. Having spoken to Dr Sims in the dim and distant past, he certainly knows his onions.
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Originally posted by Masha
I got the impression these were only for US machines.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh I think you're right. I'm actually using one of these:
http://www.digital-x.de/KNOWHOW/XBOX/xbox_dx_vga_box/xbox_dx_vga_box.htm#9999
This guarantees you a 480p progressive scan VGA output for the Xbox and works on PAL machines, guaranteed :) Pricey mind...
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Originally posted by stormywhether
And another query (sorrrrrrrrrrryyyy!) - you said that RGB is a far better source than S-Video, which I accept.
But surely if there are two options - convert RGB to S-Video for £80 less than converting RGB to component - then the actual source is the same, no?
Last one - the component convertor, you say has phono audio outs. What sort of cables do I use here, and where do they plug into in the amp?
After forking out £140 for the convertor, wouldn't it be simpler just to buy a Sky+ box and connect directly via S-Video? Although I presume then the picture quality would be inferior?
Thanks SO much!
First point - the source isn't the same. It's just like DVD - you'd rather use RGB SCART than S-Video or composite, so you would on Sky. RGB reproduces the original source as closely as possible.
The component converter just has two phono leads for stereo output. I suspect that you'd have a coaxial/optical output which would go straight to your amp for 5.1, in which case you don't need to bother with the phono leads.
Last point - yeah you're probably right, it would be a lot more straightforward, and if you're on a budget it would probably make more sense. Sky+ is brilliant (though I will be getting the Dr Sims plasma box)
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Had a wonder into town at lunch and managed to grab an imported xbox high definition AV Pack from my local another world.
Not sure if its going to work with a UK machine but I'll have a play around when it arrives later this week.
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Originally posted by Masha
Had a wonder into town at lunch and managed to grab an imported xbox high definition AV Pack from my local another world.
Not sure if its going to work with a UK machine but I'll have a play around when it arrives later this week.
Pretty sure they work, but you don't get progressive scan from a PAL X-Box, just interlaced component. I believe the Pal X-Box can be 'persuaded' to output progressive scan if you don't mind invalidating your warranty.
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Originally posted by neilalford
I believe the Pal X-Box can be 'persuaded' to output progressive scan if you don't mind invalidating your warranty.
I waved goodbye to that along time ago, if you have more info please feel free to email me if its not appropraite for the forums
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Originally posted by Masha
I waved goodbye to that along time ago, if you have more info please feel free to email me if its not appropraite for the forums
I'm afraid I don't know the details, I've just heard it mentioned on the forums before. My X-Box is an American one anyway so I've never needed to find out how it's actually done! Sounds like you're most of the way there already!
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Grandmaster - this plasma box you talk of, I take it you now have a plasma screen, and it's not just a better quality projector input maker?
And neilalford - which would produce the better picture, Sky+ or the conventional Digibox through the RGB/component convertor?
Cheers mucho!
Just given the projector its first airing - even using DVD and lowly S-Video - and all i can say is... woweeeeeeee!
It was on for at least four minutes and the bulb didn't pop once!
:clap:
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