Question:
Is the difference noticeable, and is it worth spending the extra cash for the 100hz ?
After looking around I am thinking about buying either the Panasonic Panasonic TX28PS1C or Panasonic TX28PS12C, depending on the feedback I get about 100hz
Thanks
Bryan
Hi,
I'm considering the 32" versions of the models you're looking at. I believe the 12C version has an extra scart socket on the back which I think is worthwhile.
As for the 50Hz/100Hz thing, I don't notice any flicker myself on 50Hz and apparently you only notice it at the edge of your vision. However, this is very subjective so I suggest you pop down to a shop just to see if you see any difference yourself.
A good 100Hz can be very good and well worth the extra over a 50Hz set, but a bad one will just annoy you with all sorts of processing quirks.
I switched to 100Hz in 1999 and now find 50Hz sets almost unwatchable due to the flicker, but many people, as DaveH said, can't see the flicker.
Have a good hunt around and look at as many sets as you can in the flesh.
I think the general feeling is it is only worth looking at 100hz if going for a big screen.As the other writer says,quirks of 100hz have to be sorted by additional picture enhancing circuitry.Blurred motion,plastic faces,and generally unrealistic pictures are still there on 100hz sets.
But look at a large screen from a realistic viewing distance,not too close, and the pictures can be excellent.Its only as you go too close that the faults show up.
You really have to decide for yourself i think. Some people just don't notice any flicker on 50hz sets while it drives others crazy. If the pictures look flicker free to you, then go for 50hz.
Originally posted by bobabry
Is the difference noticeable, and is it worth spending the extra cash for the 100hz ?
After looking around I am thinking about buying either the Panasonic Panasonic TX28PS1C or Panasonic TX28PS12C, depending on the feedback I get about 100hz
Thanks
Bryan
I think the general view is no, not at 28" anyway. With a 32" widescreen its more debatable which way to go and above 32" definitely go 100hz (not that you have an option at 36" anyway I think). The fact remains that 50hz does give the best picture and its a lot cheaper so its a no brainer to go 50hz unless you can actually spot any flicker and it annoys you. If you do go 100hz you need to be very critical as many 100hz sets are pure rubbish picture wise. LG springs to mind as are most Thomsons. Toshiba seem to do it well most of the time.
I had a Toshiba 32" 100HZ set ... that was pretty good. There were traces of processing, but for an old set it was a good all-rounder.
Now I've got a 36" Panasonic and (after some messing about with the settings) I find the picture to be much better than the Tosh and it doesn't look processed either.
But I'd agree that not all sets are the same and manufacturers' implementation of 100hz will differ considerably. Golden rule is to try before you buy.
Originally posted by DaveH
Hi,
I'm considering the 32" versions of the models you're looking at. I believe the 12C version has an extra scart socket on the back which I think is worthwhile.
As for the 50Hz/100Hz thing, I don't notice any flicker myself on 50Hz and apparently you only notice it at the edge of your vision. However, this is very subjective so I suggest you pop down to a shop just to see if you see any difference yourself.
Thats how I noticed it. Happened to look out the corner of my eye at the wall of tellys in Tesco's one day and my god - the flicker was amazing. Now have a 100hz set and luckily its one you can turn all the digital processing bit and pieces off and the picture is superb in plain 100hz mode.
I have a 100hz Panasonic 32" and DVD's look superb. For me, far better than a 50hz equivalent. To my eyes 50hz is 'blurry vision', giving a rather false impression of rounded off edges. Some 50hz tubes can be very convincing (Sony Wega and Panasonic Tau).
And yes, if that's what you like then go for a 50hz !
But do you not find that SKY DIGITAL looks awful and false on a Panasonic 100hz.
What make of box are you using phelings or does that apply to all boxes?,as I was thinking of getting a 100hz Panasonic tv.
Originally posted by phelings
But do you not find that SKY DIGITAL looks awful and false on a Panasonic 100hz.
It certainly looks awful on my parents first generation 32" Picture Frame Tosh. Nowhere near as good as my four-year-old 32" WEGA @ 50Hz. It took tons of fiddling to get the Tosh picture looking acceptable, and you can just forget it on low bitrate channels which becomes an unwelcome voyage to Artefact City.
Originally posted by phelings
But do you not find that SKY DIGITAL looks awful and false on a Panasonic 100hz.
Depends how it is set up.
If you think about it there are lots of factors involved in getting the picture "just so":
Sky Box
Contrast Level
Aspect
RGB / PAL
TV
Contrast
Brightness
Colour
Artificial Intelligence
Flicker Reduction
Scan Type
I've got mine looking very nice. I have a panasonic sky box and panasonic TV (Tx 36 PL30 - £918) and am chuffed to monkeynuts with it.
:)
It seems to be a problem due to the fact that SKY DIGITAL pictures are already a compromise,and mostly low bitrate,as mentioned above,and when subject to 100hz processing,this creates plastic faces and other problems.But as you can see from the other postings,some people can accept it,others cannot.The only way to tell is to get a demo,but avoid chain stores as most cannot even set up a tv to show 16:9 pix properly
After looking around I am thinking about buying either the Panasonic Panasonic TX28PS1C or Panasonic TX28PS12C, depending on the feedback I get about 100hz
Thanks
Bryan
Answers:
Hi,
I'm considering the 32" versions of the models you're looking at. I believe the 12C version has an extra scart socket on the back which I think is worthwhile.
As for the 50Hz/100Hz thing, I don't notice any flicker myself on 50Hz and apparently you only notice it at the edge of your vision. However, this is very subjective so I suggest you pop down to a shop just to see if you see any difference yourself.
Answers:
A good 100Hz can be very good and well worth the extra over a 50Hz set, but a bad one will just annoy you with all sorts of processing quirks.
I switched to 100Hz in 1999 and now find 50Hz sets almost unwatchable due to the flicker, but many people, as DaveH said, can't see the flicker.
Have a good hunt around and look at as many sets as you can in the flesh.
Answers:
I think the general feeling is it is only worth looking at 100hz if going for a big screen.As the other writer says,quirks of 100hz have to be sorted by additional picture enhancing circuitry.Blurred motion,plastic faces,and generally unrealistic pictures are still there on 100hz sets.
But look at a large screen from a realistic viewing distance,not too close, and the pictures can be excellent.Its only as you go too close that the faults show up.
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You really have to decide for yourself i think. Some people just don't notice any flicker on 50hz sets while it drives others crazy. If the pictures look flicker free to you, then go for 50hz.
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Originally posted by bobabry
Is the difference noticeable, and is it worth spending the extra cash for the 100hz ?
After looking around I am thinking about buying either the Panasonic Panasonic TX28PS1C or Panasonic TX28PS12C, depending on the feedback I get about 100hz
Thanks
Bryan
I think the general view is no, not at 28" anyway. With a 32" widescreen its more debatable which way to go and above 32" definitely go 100hz (not that you have an option at 36" anyway I think). The fact remains that 50hz does give the best picture and its a lot cheaper so its a no brainer to go 50hz unless you can actually spot any flicker and it annoys you. If you do go 100hz you need to be very critical as many 100hz sets are pure rubbish picture wise. LG springs to mind as are most Thomsons. Toshiba seem to do it well most of the time.
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I had a Toshiba 32" 100HZ set ... that was pretty good. There were traces of processing, but for an old set it was a good all-rounder.
Now I've got a 36" Panasonic and (after some messing about with the settings) I find the picture to be much better than the Tosh and it doesn't look processed either.
But I'd agree that not all sets are the same and manufacturers' implementation of 100hz will differ considerably. Golden rule is to try before you buy.
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Originally posted by DaveH
Hi,
I'm considering the 32" versions of the models you're looking at. I believe the 12C version has an extra scart socket on the back which I think is worthwhile.
As for the 50Hz/100Hz thing, I don't notice any flicker myself on 50Hz and apparently you only notice it at the edge of your vision. However, this is very subjective so I suggest you pop down to a shop just to see if you see any difference yourself.
Thats how I noticed it. Happened to look out the corner of my eye at the wall of tellys in Tesco's one day and my god - the flicker was amazing. Now have a 100hz set and luckily its one you can turn all the digital processing bit and pieces off and the picture is superb in plain 100hz mode.
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I have a 100hz Panasonic 32" and DVD's look superb. For me, far better than a 50hz equivalent. To my eyes 50hz is 'blurry vision', giving a rather false impression of rounded off edges. Some 50hz tubes can be very convincing (Sony Wega and Panasonic Tau).
And yes, if that's what you like then go for a 50hz !
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But do you not find that SKY DIGITAL looks awful and false on a Panasonic 100hz.
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What make of box are you using phelings or does that apply to all boxes?,as I was thinking of getting a 100hz Panasonic tv.
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Originally posted by phelings
But do you not find that SKY DIGITAL looks awful and false on a Panasonic 100hz.
It certainly looks awful on my parents first generation 32" Picture Frame Tosh. Nowhere near as good as my four-year-old 32" WEGA @ 50Hz. It took tons of fiddling to get the Tosh picture looking acceptable, and you can just forget it on low bitrate channels which becomes an unwelcome voyage to Artefact City.
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Originally posted by phelings
But do you not find that SKY DIGITAL looks awful and false on a Panasonic 100hz.
Depends how it is set up.
If you think about it there are lots of factors involved in getting the picture "just so":
Sky Box
Contrast Level
Aspect
RGB / PAL
TV
Contrast
Brightness
Colour
Artificial Intelligence
Flicker Reduction
Scan Type
I've got mine looking very nice. I have a panasonic sky box and panasonic TV (Tx 36 PL30 - £918) and am chuffed to monkeynuts with it.
:)
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It seems to be a problem due to the fact that SKY DIGITAL pictures are already a compromise,and mostly low bitrate,as mentioned above,and when subject to 100hz processing,this creates plastic faces and other problems.But as you can see from the other postings,some people can accept it,others cannot.The only way to tell is to get a demo,but avoid chain stores as most cannot even set up a tv to show 16:9 pix properly
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