Question:
need your expert advice:
I've a few quid to play with and am about to purchase a good amount of gear to give myself a reasonable home cinema set up. More or less sorted on the receiver & speakers but have a dilemma on the TV & DVD player, here's the score:
Probably buying the Harman Kardon DV25 or maybe the Pioneer 656 and also at a long shot the Tosh 330 - picture quality is the utmost, I can buy a separate player for music - which do you think gives the best picture?
Want the Tosh 32ZD 26P - because of the reviews, off air pic quality and undoubted good looks. Also I'm led to believe that the prog scan on NTSC discs is excellent.
However, if I go for a component video DVD player, would I be better getting a TV that copes with PAL prog scan too, such as one of the Panasonics? Would the off air quality be as good as the Tosh?
MAin qns for me are :
WIll I get as good a picture with Component Video on PAL discs on the TOsh TV as I would with RGB Scart?
Originally posted by snap69
MAin qns for me are :
WIll I get as good a picture with Component Video on PAL discs on the TOsh TV as I would with RGB Scart?
Definately, component RGB is just the same as RGB scart, just delivered differently.
Originally posted by snap69
However, if I go for a component video DVD player, would I be better getting a TV that copes with PAL prog scan too, such as one of the Panasonics? Would the off air quality be as good as the Tosh?
IIRC the new Tosh picture frame 2 sets also cope with PAL prog scan, so that might be another option if you like the Tosh models already.
cheers,
They are a bit steep aren't they though? I can get the 32zd26p for about £830
Originally posted by Phayze
Definately, component RGB is just the same as RGB scart, just delivered differently.
I thought that Component as delivered by DVD players was actually YUC (?) which isn't the same as RGB - component quality is meant to be marginally better than RGB (in theory) but it does depend on your TV and DVD player
Phil
Originally posted by Brian Blessed Badger
I thought that Component as delivered by DVD players was actually YUC (?) which isn't the same as RGB - component quality is meant to be marginally better than RGB (in theory) but it does depend on your TV and DVD player
Sometimes i amaze even myself with the crap that i talk some days. Phil is right, component RGB is YUV (brightness, luminence, colour?), and technically better, if you've got the display to show it up on.
No, the DVD player converts YUV to RGB for output. It's a lossless conversion (you won't see any difference on a TV) and both are component whatever anyone may say! S-Video is also component, though this one isn't as good.
So, to get this straight, if I get the Tosh TV and connect my DVD player with component video, my PAL discs will look identical to as if I'd connnected via RGB Scart, but my NTSC will look slightly better due to prog scan?
In truth - would I notice the difference in this set up between my r1 & r2 discs, in terms of quality?
I know I would in theory, but I'm after the real truth!
Originally posted by Adamant
No, the DVD player converts YUV to RGB for output. It's a lossless conversion (you won't see any difference on a TV) and both are component whatever anyone may say! S-Video is also component, though this one isn't as good.
Technically thats right
BUT
depending on the Player
The YUV output may differ in quality to the RGB output (either way - some players use different video DACs for RGB and Component outputs)
then depending on the TV
The RGB or Component inputs may have different amounts of processing applied or have differnet quality input hardware
then you've got relative cable quality - but lets not go there
Overall I'd try all the inputs from a player (most have S Video/RGB/Component) to your TV and see which you like the best - there are no definites about which will be best for your setup - but component (in theory) should be the best, followed by RGB,S Video and Composite
Phil
Originally posted by snap69
So, to get this straight, if I get the Tosh TV and connect my DVD player with component video, my PAL discs will look identical to as if I'd connnected via RGB Scart, but my NTSC will look slightly better due to prog scan?
In truth - would I notice the difference in this set up between my r1 & r2 discs, in terms of quality?
I know I would in theory, but I'm after the real truth!
You will notice a difference with R1 NTSC as progressive scan will look better than interlaced - and I wouldn't worry about using an RGB for R2 PAL discs instead of the component (at the very least it's much more convienent)
In addition you'l need a player that can be set to output Progressive scan for NTSC and interlaced for PAL or you'll have to keep changing the options every time you swap between the 2
Phil
Might seem NOddy questions, but bear with me I've not used component before...
Couldn't I just connect thru my component and use this as the sole connector for the DVD?
Doing this I guess would have to use the options to select prog scan should I want it?
Originally posted by snap69
Might seem NOddy questions, but bear with me I've not used component before...
Couldn't I just connect thru my component and use this as the sole connector for the DVD?
Doing this I guess would have to use the options to select prog scan should I want it?
No problems
Yes, you can use it as the sole connector (it only carries video though - a scart will usually also carry audio)
Yes, some players may allow you to choose to output NTSC as Progressive and PAL as interlaced (I think Arcams do but they are probably outside your price range)
Phil
cheers, problem solved I think,
go for the better TV Tosh & get a decent Scart (philex thor or maybe better)
I've a few quid to play with and am about to purchase a good amount of gear to give myself a reasonable home cinema set up. More or less sorted on the receiver & speakers but have a dilemma on the TV & DVD player, here's the score:
Probably buying the Harman Kardon DV25 or maybe the Pioneer 656 and also at a long shot the Tosh 330 - picture quality is the utmost, I can buy a separate player for music - which do you think gives the best picture?
Want the Tosh 32ZD 26P - because of the reviews, off air pic quality and undoubted good looks. Also I'm led to believe that the prog scan on NTSC discs is excellent.
However, if I go for a component video DVD player, would I be better getting a TV that copes with PAL prog scan too, such as one of the Panasonics? Would the off air quality be as good as the Tosh?
MAin qns for me are :
WIll I get as good a picture with Component Video on PAL discs on the TOsh TV as I would with RGB Scart?
Answers:
Originally posted by snap69
MAin qns for me are :
WIll I get as good a picture with Component Video on PAL discs on the TOsh TV as I would with RGB Scart?
Definately, component RGB is just the same as RGB scart, just delivered differently.
Originally posted by snap69
However, if I go for a component video DVD player, would I be better getting a TV that copes with PAL prog scan too, such as one of the Panasonics? Would the off air quality be as good as the Tosh?
IIRC the new Tosh picture frame 2 sets also cope with PAL prog scan, so that might be another option if you like the Tosh models already.
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cheers,
They are a bit steep aren't they though? I can get the 32zd26p for about £830
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Originally posted by Phayze
Definately, component RGB is just the same as RGB scart, just delivered differently.
I thought that Component as delivered by DVD players was actually YUC (?) which isn't the same as RGB - component quality is meant to be marginally better than RGB (in theory) but it does depend on your TV and DVD player
Phil
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Originally posted by Brian Blessed Badger
I thought that Component as delivered by DVD players was actually YUC (?) which isn't the same as RGB - component quality is meant to be marginally better than RGB (in theory) but it does depend on your TV and DVD player
Sometimes i amaze even myself with the crap that i talk some days. Phil is right, component RGB is YUV (brightness, luminence, colour?), and technically better, if you've got the display to show it up on.
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No, the DVD player converts YUV to RGB for output. It's a lossless conversion (you won't see any difference on a TV) and both are component whatever anyone may say! S-Video is also component, though this one isn't as good.
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So, to get this straight, if I get the Tosh TV and connect my DVD player with component video, my PAL discs will look identical to as if I'd connnected via RGB Scart, but my NTSC will look slightly better due to prog scan?
In truth - would I notice the difference in this set up between my r1 & r2 discs, in terms of quality?
I know I would in theory, but I'm after the real truth!
Answers:
Originally posted by Adamant
No, the DVD player converts YUV to RGB for output. It's a lossless conversion (you won't see any difference on a TV) and both are component whatever anyone may say! S-Video is also component, though this one isn't as good.
Technically thats right
BUT
depending on the Player
The YUV output may differ in quality to the RGB output (either way - some players use different video DACs for RGB and Component outputs)
then depending on the TV
The RGB or Component inputs may have different amounts of processing applied or have differnet quality input hardware
then you've got relative cable quality - but lets not go there
Overall I'd try all the inputs from a player (most have S Video/RGB/Component) to your TV and see which you like the best - there are no definites about which will be best for your setup - but component (in theory) should be the best, followed by RGB,S Video and Composite
Phil
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Originally posted by snap69
So, to get this straight, if I get the Tosh TV and connect my DVD player with component video, my PAL discs will look identical to as if I'd connnected via RGB Scart, but my NTSC will look slightly better due to prog scan?
In truth - would I notice the difference in this set up between my r1 & r2 discs, in terms of quality?
I know I would in theory, but I'm after the real truth!
You will notice a difference with R1 NTSC as progressive scan will look better than interlaced - and I wouldn't worry about using an RGB for R2 PAL discs instead of the component (at the very least it's much more convienent)
In addition you'l need a player that can be set to output Progressive scan for NTSC and interlaced for PAL or you'll have to keep changing the options every time you swap between the 2
Phil
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Might seem NOddy questions, but bear with me I've not used component before...
Couldn't I just connect thru my component and use this as the sole connector for the DVD?
Doing this I guess would have to use the options to select prog scan should I want it?
Answers:
Originally posted by snap69
Might seem NOddy questions, but bear with me I've not used component before...
Couldn't I just connect thru my component and use this as the sole connector for the DVD?
Doing this I guess would have to use the options to select prog scan should I want it?
No problems
Yes, you can use it as the sole connector (it only carries video though - a scart will usually also carry audio)
Yes, some players may allow you to choose to output NTSC as Progressive and PAL as interlaced (I think Arcams do but they are probably outside your price range)
Phil
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cheers, problem solved I think,
go for the better TV Tosh & get a decent Scart (philex thor or maybe better)
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