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As thread title.
The booklet has a use of 0. Anything it says, the player does differently. It won't recover, pressing the buttons is hopeless and I can't even get the disc out! All this happened about 5 seconds after I pressed record. It's only 2 weeks old!
This is enough for me to get a refund and stick to VHS. At least if you wanted to record something, you knew you'd get something even if it went bad!
contact panasonic web site there is a contact us section and also a technical phone line
they are excellent i had a problem with the av sockets and they solved it in a couple of minutes
Unplug it from the wall socket, leave it for 10 minutes, then plug it back in, & try again,
If you get the RECOVER message, we can then look at getting your disc out.
It always said recover, yet when it had finished it wasn't fixed in the slightest.
I had to force the disc tray out, and once that was empty, it DID recover.
Madness! Shows a huge fault with Panasonics design - if you get a disc that causes the fault, yet in recovery you can't eject, how are you supposed to fix it without risk of ruining the recorder by invasively getting the disc out?
There's nothing wrong with your recorder, it's a little quirk of the machine, to get the disk out, once the recovery procedure has started, at some point the the white countdown style circle on the leftside of the display will start, when this gets to about 3 o'clock, keep presing the open button, eventually the display will turn to "OPEN" & hey presto, the disktray will open.
you will only get this problem if you use crap cheapy media, if you must use cheap media, stick to the "Ritek" dye manufactored discs.
They were not cheap discs. This was just one of a set of blanks that worked great.
Pressing the open button did make the recorder say "open" but after 5 seconds it would hen say "close" even though nothing had happened.
Originally posted by Adamant
They were not cheap discs. This was just one of a set of blanks that worked great.
What discs were they?
Pressing the open button did make the recorder say "open" but after 5 seconds it would hen say "close" even though nothing had happened.
The open/close button is very sensitive, if you press too hard or long, you can end up sending the request twice eg: open & close, & the machine does both, but doesn't phsyically[sp?] do either.
You can find a lot of good advice & info here (www.disqworld.com) about recordable DVD machines & blank media.
Packard Bell expensive things. The deep purple dye variety, apparently supposed to be compatible with more machines.
The open/close button was pressed exactly the same as I always do.
I've never heard of P/B blank dvds, so I expect they are repacks, which means they could be anything.
anyway, check out the link I gave, it will help you to understand the blank DVD market, & the ongoing instability regarding disc compatability.
The E-50 is a fine machine, but like any new technology, has it quirks, unfortunately the only way to find out what they are, is through trial & error,
give it a chance, & I can assure you, you will be won over.
I also noticed it's horendously bad at encoding noisy VHS tapes from the S-Video A4 input on anything other than XP mode. But then using the F Rec mode and setting it to 90 mins you can't tell the difference between XP and F Rec. Weird.
It's now working again, for now....
I ordered 5 Verbatim 2x discs on the net, about double the price of the cheapies. Are these amongst the best?
BTW, I believe the PB discs are repackages of these http://www.cd-rmedia.co.uk/cgi-bin2/cdrmedia/details.pl?id=zeropure1x
If the PB's are those repackaged, then they are "ritek" discs, & although I haven't used them my self, they should be fine,
again I've not used the Verbatim discs, but haven't heard anything bad about them,
personally I'm using the "Be-ALL" discs from www.blankdiscshop.co.uk (a forum sponsor:thumbs: ) haven't had a problem yet,
they come in packs of 50, worked out at just under £1 each, but they've put the price up since I bought mine, now £1.05 each.:(
It now won't burn past any disc past a certain point. I can see by the burning ring on the recording side - each "faulty" disc is identical.
Am I within my rights to refuse repair and just get a replacement?
Originally posted by Adamant
It now won't burn past any disc past a certain point. I can see by the burning ring on the recording side - each "faulty" disc is identical.
Am I within my rights to refuse repair and just get a replacement?
I don't think so. You have to give them achance to "put it right", then you can reject it.
Originally posted by Adamant
It now won't burn past any disc past a certain point. I can see by the burning ring on the recording side - each "faulty" disc is identical.
Am I within my rights to refuse repair and just get a replacement?
Very few discs burn all the way to the outer edge, I think it's done on purpose as a margin of safety against fingerprints, & other factors.
It's NOT reaching the end of the disc. I know more than enough to realsie teh difference between a full capacity disc and a disc that the player has stopped recording on, corrupting the entire recording because it switches itself off before writing a TOC.
You just seem to be trying to find faults, so why don't you get your money back, & buy a new VCR.:oh-hum:
*Trying?*
My problem is I don't *Have* to try. If I actually wanted to find faults, I could come up with such a big list.
If it's the unit that's faulty then take it back and get an exchange or if you can, a refund. If you think it may be the discs then try some decent discs like Verbatim.
Does the unit have problems with recording to both DVD-R and DVD-RAM, or just DVD-R?
Verbatim? Decent?
How about an entire pack of 5 that won't record on either my e50 or the e20?
I got a replacement, and this one is identical, although this one hasnt needed 3 weeks to go sour. It seems to like expensive TDK discs, though....
DVD RAM has always recorded fine.
The verbatims should work as I have the E50 as well and I've recorded about 15 Verbatim DVD-R, 50 Be-All -R, and 15-20 Nan-Ya -R (all from SVP) on it with no problems. I haven't come across the problems you're having and I haven't got a clue what your problem is, especially if you have the same problems on an E20 and an E50.
What exactly is the situation - did you have an E20 that worked? Or did you have an E20 which didn't work and got an E50 that had the same problems? I'm confused about what the history of the problem is. If you can give me a short explaination of the history then I'll try to help you.
I have to say that frankly I think that if you're having this much trouble (you seem pretty stressed about it) and have had identical bad experiences with two different recorders then you need to just get rid of the thing and try something else, or just use VHS.
I'm just sticking with my "small fortune for a pack of" discs...
They are fine...
The E20 isn't mine, and it records on some of the Verbatim discs but blocks towards the end of the discs.
My E50s (both of them) record to about 65% through the disc, then shutdown. Whatever was already on them can't be titles or finalised because "this is a non recordable disc".
You could always try the sample pack of discs from blankdiscshop, that would give you a variety of discs to experiment with fairly cheaply. Or try and find out what the packard bell discs actually are and try and get them online, which would save you some cash.
I reckon there's something very wrong with your setup if these are the only discs that you can use. Clutching at straws: it's possible that the E20 is incompatible with the Verbatims and you just happened to end up with two E50s from a bad batch, or you've had a bad batch of discs. Don't know really, but the E50 is definitely capable of record to verbatims properly so I don't think your problem is something that all units suffer from, even if you've tried them on three recorders.
The E20 used to be fed only Verbatims, but doesn't like these new ones. It does handle them better than the E50.
I've just come to the conclusion now that as prices drop, both the discs and players are less well made than they were a year or so ago.
I haven't used VHS for a couple of years and SVHS tapes are more expensive than the more costly TDK DVD-Rs, so the choice is clear cut - I'll stick with the E-50.
Getting the replacement deck has just highlighted the differences between alternate decks of the same recorders. The remote on the new one is every so slightly more sluggish at working than the old one, yet this new one has slightly less chroma noise when recording from analogue sources. The new one seems to use higher bitrates and has quite good quality EP, yet the SP mode is very slightly softer than SP mode on the other.
The new one hasn't thrown a total wobbly and refused to eject any discs, including the "faulty" P/B one that caused the other to die each time, so a replacement has given me some benefits.
The booklet has a use of 0. Anything it says, the player does differently. It won't recover, pressing the buttons is hopeless and I can't even get the disc out! All this happened about 5 seconds after I pressed record. It's only 2 weeks old!
This is enough for me to get a refund and stick to VHS. At least if you wanted to record something, you knew you'd get something even if it went bad!
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contact panasonic web site there is a contact us section and also a technical phone line
they are excellent i had a problem with the av sockets and they solved it in a couple of minutes
Answers:
Unplug it from the wall socket, leave it for 10 minutes, then plug it back in, & try again,
If you get the RECOVER message, we can then look at getting your disc out.
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It always said recover, yet when it had finished it wasn't fixed in the slightest.
I had to force the disc tray out, and once that was empty, it DID recover.
Madness! Shows a huge fault with Panasonics design - if you get a disc that causes the fault, yet in recovery you can't eject, how are you supposed to fix it without risk of ruining the recorder by invasively getting the disc out?
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There's nothing wrong with your recorder, it's a little quirk of the machine, to get the disk out, once the recovery procedure has started, at some point the the white countdown style circle on the leftside of the display will start, when this gets to about 3 o'clock, keep presing the open button, eventually the display will turn to "OPEN" & hey presto, the disktray will open.
you will only get this problem if you use crap cheapy media, if you must use cheap media, stick to the "Ritek" dye manufactored discs.
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They were not cheap discs. This was just one of a set of blanks that worked great.
Pressing the open button did make the recorder say "open" but after 5 seconds it would hen say "close" even though nothing had happened.
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Originally posted by Adamant
They were not cheap discs. This was just one of a set of blanks that worked great.
What discs were they?
Pressing the open button did make the recorder say "open" but after 5 seconds it would hen say "close" even though nothing had happened.
The open/close button is very sensitive, if you press too hard or long, you can end up sending the request twice eg: open & close, & the machine does both, but doesn't phsyically[sp?] do either.
You can find a lot of good advice & info here (www.disqworld.com) about recordable DVD machines & blank media.
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Packard Bell expensive things. The deep purple dye variety, apparently supposed to be compatible with more machines.
The open/close button was pressed exactly the same as I always do.
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I've never heard of P/B blank dvds, so I expect they are repacks, which means they could be anything.
anyway, check out the link I gave, it will help you to understand the blank DVD market, & the ongoing instability regarding disc compatability.
The E-50 is a fine machine, but like any new technology, has it quirks, unfortunately the only way to find out what they are, is through trial & error,
give it a chance, & I can assure you, you will be won over.
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I also noticed it's horendously bad at encoding noisy VHS tapes from the S-Video A4 input on anything other than XP mode. But then using the F Rec mode and setting it to 90 mins you can't tell the difference between XP and F Rec. Weird.
It's now working again, for now....
I ordered 5 Verbatim 2x discs on the net, about double the price of the cheapies. Are these amongst the best?
BTW, I believe the PB discs are repackages of these http://www.cd-rmedia.co.uk/cgi-bin2/cdrmedia/details.pl?id=zeropure1x
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If the PB's are those repackaged, then they are "ritek" discs, & although I haven't used them my self, they should be fine,
again I've not used the Verbatim discs, but haven't heard anything bad about them,
personally I'm using the "Be-ALL" discs from www.blankdiscshop.co.uk (a forum sponsor:thumbs: ) haven't had a problem yet,
they come in packs of 50, worked out at just under £1 each, but they've put the price up since I bought mine, now £1.05 each.:(
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It now won't burn past any disc past a certain point. I can see by the burning ring on the recording side - each "faulty" disc is identical.
Am I within my rights to refuse repair and just get a replacement?
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Originally posted by Adamant
It now won't burn past any disc past a certain point. I can see by the burning ring on the recording side - each "faulty" disc is identical.
Am I within my rights to refuse repair and just get a replacement?
I don't think so. You have to give them achance to "put it right", then you can reject it.
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Originally posted by Adamant
It now won't burn past any disc past a certain point. I can see by the burning ring on the recording side - each "faulty" disc is identical.
Am I within my rights to refuse repair and just get a replacement?
Very few discs burn all the way to the outer edge, I think it's done on purpose as a margin of safety against fingerprints, & other factors.
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It's NOT reaching the end of the disc. I know more than enough to realsie teh difference between a full capacity disc and a disc that the player has stopped recording on, corrupting the entire recording because it switches itself off before writing a TOC.
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You just seem to be trying to find faults, so why don't you get your money back, & buy a new VCR.:oh-hum:
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*Trying?*
My problem is I don't *Have* to try. If I actually wanted to find faults, I could come up with such a big list.
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If it's the unit that's faulty then take it back and get an exchange or if you can, a refund. If you think it may be the discs then try some decent discs like Verbatim.
Does the unit have problems with recording to both DVD-R and DVD-RAM, or just DVD-R?
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Verbatim? Decent?
How about an entire pack of 5 that won't record on either my e50 or the e20?
I got a replacement, and this one is identical, although this one hasnt needed 3 weeks to go sour. It seems to like expensive TDK discs, though....
DVD RAM has always recorded fine.
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The verbatims should work as I have the E50 as well and I've recorded about 15 Verbatim DVD-R, 50 Be-All -R, and 15-20 Nan-Ya -R (all from SVP) on it with no problems. I haven't come across the problems you're having and I haven't got a clue what your problem is, especially if you have the same problems on an E20 and an E50.
What exactly is the situation - did you have an E20 that worked? Or did you have an E20 which didn't work and got an E50 that had the same problems? I'm confused about what the history of the problem is. If you can give me a short explaination of the history then I'll try to help you.
I have to say that frankly I think that if you're having this much trouble (you seem pretty stressed about it) and have had identical bad experiences with two different recorders then you need to just get rid of the thing and try something else, or just use VHS.
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I'm just sticking with my "small fortune for a pack of" discs...
They are fine...
The E20 isn't mine, and it records on some of the Verbatim discs but blocks towards the end of the discs.
My E50s (both of them) record to about 65% through the disc, then shutdown. Whatever was already on them can't be titles or finalised because "this is a non recordable disc".
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You could always try the sample pack of discs from blankdiscshop, that would give you a variety of discs to experiment with fairly cheaply. Or try and find out what the packard bell discs actually are and try and get them online, which would save you some cash.
I reckon there's something very wrong with your setup if these are the only discs that you can use. Clutching at straws: it's possible that the E20 is incompatible with the Verbatims and you just happened to end up with two E50s from a bad batch, or you've had a bad batch of discs. Don't know really, but the E50 is definitely capable of record to verbatims properly so I don't think your problem is something that all units suffer from, even if you've tried them on three recorders.
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The E20 used to be fed only Verbatims, but doesn't like these new ones. It does handle them better than the E50.
I've just come to the conclusion now that as prices drop, both the discs and players are less well made than they were a year or so ago.
I haven't used VHS for a couple of years and SVHS tapes are more expensive than the more costly TDK DVD-Rs, so the choice is clear cut - I'll stick with the E-50.
Getting the replacement deck has just highlighted the differences between alternate decks of the same recorders. The remote on the new one is every so slightly more sluggish at working than the old one, yet this new one has slightly less chroma noise when recording from analogue sources. The new one seems to use higher bitrates and has quite good quality EP, yet the SP mode is very slightly softer than SP mode on the other.
The new one hasn't thrown a total wobbly and refused to eject any discs, including the "faulty" P/B one that caused the other to die each time, so a replacement has given me some benefits.
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