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I was wondering if I could do something to see if it can handle 60Hz or not?
I have a gamecube with a composite cable and on games where it lets you choose to have 50Hz or 60Hz if I select 60 then black bars appear across the top and bottom of the screen, I was wondering if this means I can accept 60Hz or not?
I have a Toshiba DVD player, gamecube and playstation, there must be some kind of test I can do with any of that equipment to see if it can handle 60Hz or not.
cheers,
Shenbop
If you are getting black bars @ 60hz (PAL 60) and thats the only problem, then yes your TV can accept PAL 60 but it cant adjust the line structure. I would imagine that if you looked closely, you'd see that the game looks squashed.
This happens with some TVs, they can display 525 PAL 60 (NTSC 4.43) but cant change the line structure, so instead of the whole vertical height containing the 525 lines, you see the 525 'overlayed' onto the 625 screen. Hence the black lines.
Yeah that (and the squashing) is the only problem, its still in colour and not fuzzy when I put it to PAL 60.
So i should be able to play an NTSC game/dvd in colour if the dvd player/console is outputting the NTSC as PAL 60?
thanks for the info so far :thumbs:
you might find it works okay if you use an RGB cable instead of composite. only way to know is to try it though.
I had the exact same thing with my old TV which I gave to my girlfriend, even in RGB it had the same problem. There is a technical term for the 525/625 'overlay' issue but I cant remember it!
Originally posted by shenbop
So i should be able to play an NTSC game/dvd in colour if the dvd player/console is outputting the NTSC as PAL 60?
thanks for the info so far :thumbs:
Yep, as long as you dont mind the '525 squish' issue.
I have read that there is a fix for this problem which any good TV engineer should be able to fit to your set, but its doubtful that anyone would bother. Quite WHY some TVs can display NTSC 3.58 or 4.43 (PAL60) without being able to adjust the scan lines is beyond me, seems pointless.
Originally posted by Roy Munson
Yep, as long as you dont mind the '525 squish' issue.
:clap: :D :thumbs: Superb news!
Although i'm still a bit :suspect: as my Toshiba sd110e dvd player (according to the comet website) is meant to convert NTSC to PAL but NTSC DVD's play in black and white (stable picture) and with the black bars. But that could have just been comet being idiots and not knowing about what they are selling. All the manual says is that to play an NTSC disc, choose AUTO in the menu. So I don't know whether it does convert it or not, any ideas?
Is my TV just extremely odd?!
cheers
P.S. Yes I did buy my player from comet but it was before I found all the cheap sites mentioned on these forums :p
If you are seeing black & white with NTSC DVDs then I would imagine it is outputting NTSC 3.58 which your TV cant handle properly. Are you using RGB scart? You may have some problems if you are running S-video.
From what you've said earlier, your TV can definitely display PAL 60, the only question is, can your DVD player output it?
First thing to do is make sure you are using RGB and then see what you get with the Tosh outputting in 'auto' What other options does the Tosh have for an NTSC source??
I know some players can output NTSC as normal PAL50 but the resukts are usualy very dodgy. I always watch my NTSC as NTSC, but then my TV can handle it...
Play around with some stuff and then post back, I'm pretty sure we'll be able to get you sorted :thumbs:
Well the only inputs I have on the TV i'm talking about is 1 scart and 1 aerial so I assume the scart isn't RGB.
My Toshiba can output the signal as Video, S-Video or RGB, tried all of them (first of all using a scart lead, then using composite cables in a scart adapter) and its never in colour.
Am I right in saying NTSC 3.58 is pure NTSC? So my player must be outputting pure NTSC and not converting the signal at all?
There are two options in the menu about discs you are playing, you can choose either PAL or AUTO, if you choose PAL and try and play an NTSC disc, then a message comes up saying NOT PAL and it doesn't play. If you choose AUTO you can play PAL and NTSC as it auto detects for you, but NTSC discs play in b&w and there are no other options.
It (NTSC discs) plays perfectly on the widescreen TV downstairs so I would use that but we have a large family so its generally being used all the time!
Well it seems that...
A/ The tosh can only output NTSC 3.58 (pure NTSC) form an NTSC disk and....
B/ Your TV cant handle that signal properly
I could easily be wrong but thats how I see it from what youve said. Sorry dude :(
That does bother me but not a huge amount as I'm selling the gamecube and getting an xbox soon which (apparantly) can output NTSC as PAL 60.
I have a gamecube with a composite cable and on games where it lets you choose to have 50Hz or 60Hz if I select 60 then black bars appear across the top and bottom of the screen, I was wondering if this means I can accept 60Hz or not?
I have a Toshiba DVD player, gamecube and playstation, there must be some kind of test I can do with any of that equipment to see if it can handle 60Hz or not.
cheers,
Shenbop
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If you are getting black bars @ 60hz (PAL 60) and thats the only problem, then yes your TV can accept PAL 60 but it cant adjust the line structure. I would imagine that if you looked closely, you'd see that the game looks squashed.
This happens with some TVs, they can display 525 PAL 60 (NTSC 4.43) but cant change the line structure, so instead of the whole vertical height containing the 525 lines, you see the 525 'overlayed' onto the 625 screen. Hence the black lines.
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Yeah that (and the squashing) is the only problem, its still in colour and not fuzzy when I put it to PAL 60.
So i should be able to play an NTSC game/dvd in colour if the dvd player/console is outputting the NTSC as PAL 60?
thanks for the info so far :thumbs:
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you might find it works okay if you use an RGB cable instead of composite. only way to know is to try it though.
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I had the exact same thing with my old TV which I gave to my girlfriend, even in RGB it had the same problem. There is a technical term for the 525/625 'overlay' issue but I cant remember it!
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Originally posted by shenbop
So i should be able to play an NTSC game/dvd in colour if the dvd player/console is outputting the NTSC as PAL 60?
thanks for the info so far :thumbs:
Yep, as long as you dont mind the '525 squish' issue.
I have read that there is a fix for this problem which any good TV engineer should be able to fit to your set, but its doubtful that anyone would bother. Quite WHY some TVs can display NTSC 3.58 or 4.43 (PAL60) without being able to adjust the scan lines is beyond me, seems pointless.
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Originally posted by Roy Munson
Yep, as long as you dont mind the '525 squish' issue.
:clap: :D :thumbs: Superb news!
Although i'm still a bit :suspect: as my Toshiba sd110e dvd player (according to the comet website) is meant to convert NTSC to PAL but NTSC DVD's play in black and white (stable picture) and with the black bars. But that could have just been comet being idiots and not knowing about what they are selling. All the manual says is that to play an NTSC disc, choose AUTO in the menu. So I don't know whether it does convert it or not, any ideas?
Is my TV just extremely odd?!
cheers
P.S. Yes I did buy my player from comet but it was before I found all the cheap sites mentioned on these forums :p
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If you are seeing black & white with NTSC DVDs then I would imagine it is outputting NTSC 3.58 which your TV cant handle properly. Are you using RGB scart? You may have some problems if you are running S-video.
From what you've said earlier, your TV can definitely display PAL 60, the only question is, can your DVD player output it?
First thing to do is make sure you are using RGB and then see what you get with the Tosh outputting in 'auto' What other options does the Tosh have for an NTSC source??
I know some players can output NTSC as normal PAL50 but the resukts are usualy very dodgy. I always watch my NTSC as NTSC, but then my TV can handle it...
Play around with some stuff and then post back, I'm pretty sure we'll be able to get you sorted :thumbs:
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Well the only inputs I have on the TV i'm talking about is 1 scart and 1 aerial so I assume the scart isn't RGB.
My Toshiba can output the signal as Video, S-Video or RGB, tried all of them (first of all using a scart lead, then using composite cables in a scart adapter) and its never in colour.
Am I right in saying NTSC 3.58 is pure NTSC? So my player must be outputting pure NTSC and not converting the signal at all?
There are two options in the menu about discs you are playing, you can choose either PAL or AUTO, if you choose PAL and try and play an NTSC disc, then a message comes up saying NOT PAL and it doesn't play. If you choose AUTO you can play PAL and NTSC as it auto detects for you, but NTSC discs play in b&w and there are no other options.
It (NTSC discs) plays perfectly on the widescreen TV downstairs so I would use that but we have a large family so its generally being used all the time!
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Well it seems that...
A/ The tosh can only output NTSC 3.58 (pure NTSC) form an NTSC disk and....
B/ Your TV cant handle that signal properly
I could easily be wrong but thats how I see it from what youve said. Sorry dude :(
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That does bother me but not a huge amount as I'm selling the gamecube and getting an xbox soon which (apparantly) can output NTSC as PAL 60.
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