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I've noticed that if I look at the TV screen out of the corner of my eye, there is no flicker. With my old TV, there was flicker.
Apart from this novelty, are there any benefits to having a 100Hz TV?
Thats about it :D
I've just got a new 100hz 32 Panasonc TV as well and its going back :( when I watch DVD's there seems to be black shadow vertical lines down the TV about may 2cms thick ... I don't notice them when I watch normal TV tho :confused:
Pentasa: have you tried another scart lead?
and errr...should this not be in the hardware forum :lol:
moving to hardware :)
Originally posted by splobber
moving to hardware :)
Cheers, big ears. :notworthy
(Believe it or not, but I've never actually noticed this forum before, as I only ever frequent the General and Computery forums).
Originally posted by Pentasa
I've just got a new 100hz 32 Panasonc TV as well and its going back :( when I watch DVD's there seems to be black shadow vertical lines down the TV about may 2cms thick ... I don't notice them when I watch normal TV tho :confused:
Perhaps you have a dodgy scart lead? Or perhaps your TV is in 14:9 mode? Try changing it to Widescreen or Smart mode. Sounds really obvious, that last suggestion of mine, but you never know.
Isn't black vertical lines a well known problem with a lot of widescreen tvs, particularly Philips and Panasonic sets? I certainly saw a lot of people complaining about this on the AV Forums site in their television forum. I found one thread (out of a number) discussing it here (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=55599&highlight=vertical+line) (don't know if that works - look for a thread called "Ferrite Rings" if not).
This was they first time I'd heard of it, I'm hoping my Sony 28LS35 doesn't suffer from it when I get it at the weekend!
Originally posted by NexusSheep
Perhaps you have a dodgy scart lead? Or perhaps your TV is in 14:9 mode? Try changing it to Widescreen or Smart mode. Sounds really obvious, that last suggestion of mine, but you never know.
Sorry I didn't explain myself the vertical lines are the full length of the picture , I'll be off to the Panasonic showroom tomorrow me thinks
Fozzy thanks for the links its exactly the problem I've got with my TV
Talking of 100HZ - can someone name some specific models as I'm prob gonna be in the market for a nice tv soon.
Thing is I want an economic widescreen (prob 28", possibly 32") and picture quality first, everything else (sound and extras) is very minor since have home cinema stuff for sound, digbox etc.
So can someone recommend a no frills wicked picture tv? I've seen a fair few nice ones, but want to avoid paying for the digital 5.1 sound and all that gubbins if I ain't gonna be using it!
Originally posted by Pentasa
Fozzy thanks for the links its exactly the problem I've got with my TV
No problem - sorry to hear you've got that problem though. :(
Mr Bigglesworth: I know the Sony 28LS60 has 100Hz but supposedly without the extra processing, so you should get a clearer picture without the artifacts normally associated with 100Hz sets. About 600 quid for this set. I almost bought one myself, especially as it has 3 scarts, but as it won't work with PS2 gun games and was £100 more than the 28LS35 I decided against it.
I probably should have done more research, and may have changed my mind, but I wanted to get a set quickly and I'd already seen the LS35 running and it looked good, at a price I was happy with. I wasn't too keen on spending £100 for an extra scart and 100hz processing which may or may not have degraded the picture (never seen a 100Hz set myself), and which would have meant I couldn't play Time Crisis 2. And I would have had to wait until I could get out to look at one running, which isn't easy as I'm off work with a virus at the moment*.
*which is why I want a set in a hurry - no tv and stuck at home! I've had to setup my old pc with a cheap tv card (which has no sound) and feed the tivo and dvd into it so I can at least have something to watch while I'm spending most of the day lying on the sofa under a blanket.
Originally posted by NexusSheep
I've noticed that if I look at the TV screen out of the corner of my eye, there is no flicker. With my old TV, there was flicker.
Apart from this novelty, are there any benefits to having a 100Hz TV?
Nope. There's a few downsides though - they don't work with Lightguns, and the picture is slightly worse than a normal TV. And they cost more.
Never like 100hz sets.. always looks processed somehow.:|
That would depend on which (if any) processing you've got turned on!
I have a 100Hz Sony TV and 100Hz wasn't part of the purchasing decision - it was a bargain and the only TV I could take then and there from John Lewis the week before Christmas.
With all the picture processing on and an RGB DVD input it can look stunning - pans that are so smooth its almost 3D.
On the down side a slightly less high quality input like digital cable and it just adds another level of processing over an already poor signal so garbage in garbage out applies.
100Hz sets usually look more pants in the shops for the same reason as most TVs look pants in shops - brightness and contrast set to full, everything showing a overboosted terrestrial feed with the aspect ratio stretched and cropped etc. etc.
I wouldn't pay extra just for 100Hz, but it simply isn't true that they always look worse.
Ducks as another 50Hz 100Hz flame war starts :rolleyes:
andymc: Indeed. Mine is also a Sony TV (28" widescreen job) from John Lewis, but I didn't even know it was 100Hz until I had already paid for it! :rolleyes: Not that this is a bad thing, but it obviously didn't play a part in my decision to purchase it.
Aaaaanyway, what do you mean by picture processing and RGB DVD input? If it helps, my TV mode is set to Smart when watching terrestrial channels and Wide when watching DVDs. And my DVD player is connected by a scart lead. :thumbs:
Hmm, that's interesting, I've had a few looks at tvs in dixons and the such and always thought the 100Hz one looked better - but it's always hard to compare cos they don't always have the same input going into them!
So whats the consensus - 100Hz worth it or not?
Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth
100Hz worth it or not?
I can see a picture diffrence i prefare 100hz
I find 100Hz alot easier on the eyes when watching movies etc, but it's not too pleasant when watching fast moving scenes and football.
Personally, I have found that my 100Hz set is easier on the eyes than my old 50Hz. But I think this is subjective, so there will always be people who claim that 50Hz sets are better, for one reason or another. I prefer my new 100Hz.
Whatever turns you on. :)
Originally posted by NexusSheep
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Whatever turns you on. :) [/B]
No. In this case its whatever you turn on. :nuts:
Originally posted by andymc
I wouldn't pay extra just for 100Hz, but it simply isn't true that they always look worse.
Actually, it is :)
100Hz sets digitize the input, scan it twice, and then convert it back to analogue for display. It's impossible to do this without SOME degradation, not matter how good the equipment.
Regardless of the flicker, 99% of the time you can tell if a set is 100Hz.
Apart from this novelty, are there any benefits to having a 100Hz TV?
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Thats about it :D
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I've just got a new 100hz 32 Panasonc TV as well and its going back :( when I watch DVD's there seems to be black shadow vertical lines down the TV about may 2cms thick ... I don't notice them when I watch normal TV tho :confused:
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Pentasa: have you tried another scart lead?
and errr...should this not be in the hardware forum :lol:
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moving to hardware :)
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Originally posted by splobber
moving to hardware :)
Cheers, big ears. :notworthy
(Believe it or not, but I've never actually noticed this forum before, as I only ever frequent the General and Computery forums).
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Originally posted by Pentasa
I've just got a new 100hz 32 Panasonc TV as well and its going back :( when I watch DVD's there seems to be black shadow vertical lines down the TV about may 2cms thick ... I don't notice them when I watch normal TV tho :confused:
Perhaps you have a dodgy scart lead? Or perhaps your TV is in 14:9 mode? Try changing it to Widescreen or Smart mode. Sounds really obvious, that last suggestion of mine, but you never know.
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Isn't black vertical lines a well known problem with a lot of widescreen tvs, particularly Philips and Panasonic sets? I certainly saw a lot of people complaining about this on the AV Forums site in their television forum. I found one thread (out of a number) discussing it here (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=55599&highlight=vertical+line) (don't know if that works - look for a thread called "Ferrite Rings" if not).
This was they first time I'd heard of it, I'm hoping my Sony 28LS35 doesn't suffer from it when I get it at the weekend!
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Originally posted by NexusSheep
Perhaps you have a dodgy scart lead? Or perhaps your TV is in 14:9 mode? Try changing it to Widescreen or Smart mode. Sounds really obvious, that last suggestion of mine, but you never know.
Sorry I didn't explain myself the vertical lines are the full length of the picture , I'll be off to the Panasonic showroom tomorrow me thinks
Fozzy thanks for the links its exactly the problem I've got with my TV
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Talking of 100HZ - can someone name some specific models as I'm prob gonna be in the market for a nice tv soon.
Thing is I want an economic widescreen (prob 28", possibly 32") and picture quality first, everything else (sound and extras) is very minor since have home cinema stuff for sound, digbox etc.
So can someone recommend a no frills wicked picture tv? I've seen a fair few nice ones, but want to avoid paying for the digital 5.1 sound and all that gubbins if I ain't gonna be using it!
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Originally posted by Pentasa
Fozzy thanks for the links its exactly the problem I've got with my TV
No problem - sorry to hear you've got that problem though. :(
Mr Bigglesworth: I know the Sony 28LS60 has 100Hz but supposedly without the extra processing, so you should get a clearer picture without the artifacts normally associated with 100Hz sets. About 600 quid for this set. I almost bought one myself, especially as it has 3 scarts, but as it won't work with PS2 gun games and was £100 more than the 28LS35 I decided against it.
I probably should have done more research, and may have changed my mind, but I wanted to get a set quickly and I'd already seen the LS35 running and it looked good, at a price I was happy with. I wasn't too keen on spending £100 for an extra scart and 100hz processing which may or may not have degraded the picture (never seen a 100Hz set myself), and which would have meant I couldn't play Time Crisis 2. And I would have had to wait until I could get out to look at one running, which isn't easy as I'm off work with a virus at the moment*.
*which is why I want a set in a hurry - no tv and stuck at home! I've had to setup my old pc with a cheap tv card (which has no sound) and feed the tivo and dvd into it so I can at least have something to watch while I'm spending most of the day lying on the sofa under a blanket.
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Originally posted by NexusSheep
I've noticed that if I look at the TV screen out of the corner of my eye, there is no flicker. With my old TV, there was flicker.
Apart from this novelty, are there any benefits to having a 100Hz TV?
Nope. There's a few downsides though - they don't work with Lightguns, and the picture is slightly worse than a normal TV. And they cost more.
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Never like 100hz sets.. always looks processed somehow.:|
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That would depend on which (if any) processing you've got turned on!
I have a 100Hz Sony TV and 100Hz wasn't part of the purchasing decision - it was a bargain and the only TV I could take then and there from John Lewis the week before Christmas.
With all the picture processing on and an RGB DVD input it can look stunning - pans that are so smooth its almost 3D.
On the down side a slightly less high quality input like digital cable and it just adds another level of processing over an already poor signal so garbage in garbage out applies.
100Hz sets usually look more pants in the shops for the same reason as most TVs look pants in shops - brightness and contrast set to full, everything showing a overboosted terrestrial feed with the aspect ratio stretched and cropped etc. etc.
I wouldn't pay extra just for 100Hz, but it simply isn't true that they always look worse.
Ducks as another 50Hz 100Hz flame war starts :rolleyes:
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andymc: Indeed. Mine is also a Sony TV (28" widescreen job) from John Lewis, but I didn't even know it was 100Hz until I had already paid for it! :rolleyes: Not that this is a bad thing, but it obviously didn't play a part in my decision to purchase it.
Aaaaanyway, what do you mean by picture processing and RGB DVD input? If it helps, my TV mode is set to Smart when watching terrestrial channels and Wide when watching DVDs. And my DVD player is connected by a scart lead. :thumbs:
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Hmm, that's interesting, I've had a few looks at tvs in dixons and the such and always thought the 100Hz one looked better - but it's always hard to compare cos they don't always have the same input going into them!
So whats the consensus - 100Hz worth it or not?
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Originally posted by Mr Bigglesworth
100Hz worth it or not?
I can see a picture diffrence i prefare 100hz
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I find 100Hz alot easier on the eyes when watching movies etc, but it's not too pleasant when watching fast moving scenes and football.
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Personally, I have found that my 100Hz set is easier on the eyes than my old 50Hz. But I think this is subjective, so there will always be people who claim that 50Hz sets are better, for one reason or another. I prefer my new 100Hz.
Whatever turns you on. :)
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Originally posted by NexusSheep
[B
Whatever turns you on. :) [/B]
No. In this case its whatever you turn on. :nuts:
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Originally posted by andymc
I wouldn't pay extra just for 100Hz, but it simply isn't true that they always look worse.
Actually, it is :)
100Hz sets digitize the input, scan it twice, and then convert it back to analogue for display. It's impossible to do this without SOME degradation, not matter how good the equipment.
Regardless of the flicker, 99% of the time you can tell if a set is 100Hz.
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