Question:
My mother has recently purchased the LOTR DVD Region 1 Disc. It states that it operates under Animorphic Widescreen. What ratio does AW operate under and what % area of the screen will it fill.
Is there a way to deactivate AW or I am cursed to watch LOTR with those embarassingly horrid black lines covering the top and bottom of the screen.
(I am sorry about the style of writing but I am English my father is Gandalf)
It depends on the aspect ratio of the film - I think LOTR is 2.35:1. So it'll be a 2.35:1 image on a 4:3 TV, with heavy black bars.
On a 16x9 TV, the black bars will be reduced (the anamorphic coming into action).
You won't be thought that popular if you say you hate those lickle lubbly bwack bars!
Originally posted by Black-Shadow
(I am sorry about the style of writing but I am English my father is Gandalf) Don't worry, this is a UK centric forum;). Anyway, to the question. All anamorphic widescreen means is that it wastes less space encoding blackbars, it doesn't specify the ratio itself. Most widescreen films are 1.85 or 2.35.
A popular misconception. What you are actually asking about is aspect ratio rather than anamorphic.
Common rations are 4:3 (1.33), 16:9 (1.85) and 2.35:1
On a normal tv the 4:3 will fill the screen, the 16:9 fill about 75% of the vertical and 2.35:1 about 50% of the vertical
On a widescreen TV SETUP CORRECTLY, the 4:3 will have black bars down the sides, the 16:9 fill the screen and 2.35:1 fill about 75% of the vertical.
Anamorphic is just a way of getting better resolution. See the disc forum for links to various sites that explain what anamorphic is.
I don't wish to be pedantic,but 16:9 is actually 1:78:1;a lot of films with a 1:85:1 ratio are matted to 1:78:1,so that the whole screen is full,(as opposed to very small bars indeed).Criterion do not do this by the way.
But also, due to overscanning the vast majority of widescreen tvs entirely hide the thin blackbars on "true" 1.85 transfers. I have no particular problem with those dvd producers who decide to slightly open the matt up so that they fill the full 1.78 area, which to be even more pedantic isn't 1.78, but 1.77 recurring;).
Originally posted by Black-Shadow
.....I am cursed to watch LOTR with those embarassingly horrid black lines covering the top and bottom of the screenOK. The film was made in a "very" widescreen format for the cinemas. Wider than a widescreen TV.
Question: How do you fit a "very" wide film onto a "not so wide" TV screen?
Possible answers:
1) Crop the left and right sides of the "very" wide image to make it narrower. Disadvantage: you don't see the whole film.
2) Stretch the picture vertically to make it taller. Disadvantage: everything in the image is the wrong shape. Hobbits get taller and thinner.
3) Keep the film at its correct width, and correct height, but increase its height by adding black padding above and below. Advantage: you see the whole film in the correct shape.
Got any other ideas?
(This question is only confused by the issue of super 35 open matte - which does not apply to the SFX sequences in LOTR and therefore, I'm not including it as an option).
So, I'd content that "cursed" is not the right phrase. Seeing the whole movie, as it was made, is surely preferable to seeing either only part of it, or seeing it the wrong shape.
Anamorphic can be turned off, but it won't change the correct shape of the images.
cool. thanks for all the info.. i was just about to post this question (not in relation to LOTR's though :))
Originally posted by LV426
Anamorphic can be turned off, but it won't change the correct shape of the images.
How ?
Settting the player to output 4:3 letterbox effectively "turns of" anamorphic. Its the setting people who own 4:3 tvs without 16:9 modes use.
Originally posted by Mr Nice
Settting the player to output 4:3 letterbox effectively "turns of" anamorphic. Its the setting people who own 4:3 tvs without 16:9 modes use.
Thanks - will give it a try tonight to see what the difference is.
I see he ran off! :clap:
If you really get fussed by those black bars.... get some card, similar colour to your TV and put it over the black bars :nuts:
The Icebun wrote:
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Originally posted by LV426
Anamorphic can be turned off, but it won't change the correct shape of the images.
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How ?
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Because the correct shape of the image is determined by the shape of the film images - not because of the way the disc is encoded or reproduced. If you do get a different shape, then it isn't correct - you have your TV incorrectly set.
If you have a 16x9 TV......
> If you have an anamorphic signal coming off the DVD player (ie disc is anamorphic, and DVD player set to output 16x9), then you set the TV to its 16x9 ratio - called by different names by different manufacturers, and you see the film at its correct shape, including the black padding top & bottom.
> Else if you do NOT have an anamorphic signal coming off the DVD player (ie either the disc isn't anamorphic, or you have the DVD player set to output a 4x3 signal), then you set the TV to a zoomed 4x3 ratio whereby the TV crops the top and bottom of the picture and shows you the vertically central part of the image. This contains EXACTLY* the same image as in the first case, but it uses fewer scan lines to reproduce and therefore has less detail.
* subject to minor variations in TV scan height and width settings
Is there a way to deactivate AW or I am cursed to watch LOTR with those embarassingly horrid black lines covering the top and bottom of the screen.
(I am sorry about the style of writing but I am English my father is Gandalf)
Answers:
It depends on the aspect ratio of the film - I think LOTR is 2.35:1. So it'll be a 2.35:1 image on a 4:3 TV, with heavy black bars.
On a 16x9 TV, the black bars will be reduced (the anamorphic coming into action).
You won't be thought that popular if you say you hate those lickle lubbly bwack bars!
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Originally posted by Black-Shadow
(I am sorry about the style of writing but I am English my father is Gandalf) Don't worry, this is a UK centric forum;). Anyway, to the question. All anamorphic widescreen means is that it wastes less space encoding blackbars, it doesn't specify the ratio itself. Most widescreen films are 1.85 or 2.35.
Answers:
A popular misconception. What you are actually asking about is aspect ratio rather than anamorphic.
Common rations are 4:3 (1.33), 16:9 (1.85) and 2.35:1
On a normal tv the 4:3 will fill the screen, the 16:9 fill about 75% of the vertical and 2.35:1 about 50% of the vertical
On a widescreen TV SETUP CORRECTLY, the 4:3 will have black bars down the sides, the 16:9 fill the screen and 2.35:1 fill about 75% of the vertical.
Anamorphic is just a way of getting better resolution. See the disc forum for links to various sites that explain what anamorphic is.
Answers:
I don't wish to be pedantic,but 16:9 is actually 1:78:1;a lot of films with a 1:85:1 ratio are matted to 1:78:1,so that the whole screen is full,(as opposed to very small bars indeed).Criterion do not do this by the way.
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But also, due to overscanning the vast majority of widescreen tvs entirely hide the thin blackbars on "true" 1.85 transfers. I have no particular problem with those dvd producers who decide to slightly open the matt up so that they fill the full 1.78 area, which to be even more pedantic isn't 1.78, but 1.77 recurring;).
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Originally posted by Black-Shadow
.....I am cursed to watch LOTR with those embarassingly horrid black lines covering the top and bottom of the screenOK. The film was made in a "very" widescreen format for the cinemas. Wider than a widescreen TV.
Question: How do you fit a "very" wide film onto a "not so wide" TV screen?
Possible answers:
1) Crop the left and right sides of the "very" wide image to make it narrower. Disadvantage: you don't see the whole film.
2) Stretch the picture vertically to make it taller. Disadvantage: everything in the image is the wrong shape. Hobbits get taller and thinner.
3) Keep the film at its correct width, and correct height, but increase its height by adding black padding above and below. Advantage: you see the whole film in the correct shape.
Got any other ideas?
(This question is only confused by the issue of super 35 open matte - which does not apply to the SFX sequences in LOTR and therefore, I'm not including it as an option).
So, I'd content that "cursed" is not the right phrase. Seeing the whole movie, as it was made, is surely preferable to seeing either only part of it, or seeing it the wrong shape.
Anamorphic can be turned off, but it won't change the correct shape of the images.
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cool. thanks for all the info.. i was just about to post this question (not in relation to LOTR's though :))
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Originally posted by LV426
Anamorphic can be turned off, but it won't change the correct shape of the images.
How ?
Answers:
Settting the player to output 4:3 letterbox effectively "turns of" anamorphic. Its the setting people who own 4:3 tvs without 16:9 modes use.
Answers:
Originally posted by Mr Nice
Settting the player to output 4:3 letterbox effectively "turns of" anamorphic. Its the setting people who own 4:3 tvs without 16:9 modes use.
Thanks - will give it a try tonight to see what the difference is.
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I see he ran off! :clap:
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If you really get fussed by those black bars.... get some card, similar colour to your TV and put it over the black bars :nuts:
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The Icebun wrote:
quote:
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Originally posted by LV426
Anamorphic can be turned off, but it won't change the correct shape of the images.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How ?
Answer:
Because the correct shape of the image is determined by the shape of the film images - not because of the way the disc is encoded or reproduced. If you do get a different shape, then it isn't correct - you have your TV incorrectly set.
If you have a 16x9 TV......
> If you have an anamorphic signal coming off the DVD player (ie disc is anamorphic, and DVD player set to output 16x9), then you set the TV to its 16x9 ratio - called by different names by different manufacturers, and you see the film at its correct shape, including the black padding top & bottom.
> Else if you do NOT have an anamorphic signal coming off the DVD player (ie either the disc isn't anamorphic, or you have the DVD player set to output a 4x3 signal), then you set the TV to a zoomed 4x3 ratio whereby the TV crops the top and bottom of the picture and shows you the vertically central part of the image. This contains EXACTLY* the same image as in the first case, but it uses fewer scan lines to reproduce and therefore has less detail.
* subject to minor variations in TV scan height and width settings
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