Question:
forgive me if i am but ....
i have been seeing mention of EFT for some time on here and followed links and did download the PDF manual. i admit now, i have not read it and maybe thats my emotional blockage...
a great friend of mine was heavily into scientology and dianetcs and at one point i did dabble. i even tried an auditing session (i'll post a link for those that know nothing about it, and i mean nothing in the nicest way[link]http://www.dianetics.org/en_US/faq/index.html[/link]). it was not for me, i didnt like it, i didnt like the concept and probably more importantly, i did find much of the origins, sinister and i feared and do fear for my friend (who i incidentally dont have so much contact with nowadays :().
having said that, on the surface, i see not a lot of difference with the ideas behind all these... i.e. facing and dealing with that which we dont want to, as it were. i get suspicious, maybe, of these *mind* therapies that charge lots of money for their conferences/ seminars. (erks i am getting on a soap box here!).
so i suppose i am wondering, what is the difference between EFT, NLP, TAT and Dianetics, apart from Dianetics aka Scientology being considered a scary cult thing to do?
i appreciate i should find out for myself and think for myself (thats one good thing i did learn from my scn dabbling <g>) but your views would be appreciated. (oh and looking at the TAT pose, reminded me a little of reiki hand positions (the hands off approach), hmmm and thats very largely about emotional release...).
Hi Rosie
I want to answer your post (and i'm surprised no one else has yet) but know nothing about dianetics, so will look it up asap and get back to you.
Sarah x
phew... thank you, sarah!
i know you practise EFT, so even a simple explanation of that would help. i remember looking up NLP some years back and i did see a comparison between it and dianetics, sort of, which made me wary of it, to be honest.
this is probably digressing and maybe nothing like the others, but what about ? again, its an emotional baggage handler but i did hear at one time, that the head man was ex scientology.
anyway, i just wanted to know.
Dear Rosie
From what I have seen and experienced of EFT it looks like a spin off from Kinesiology and Body Talk Therapies and I have received excellent reports of it.
I have a book on Dianetics but have never read it.
Landmark, I have met some people that have been involved in this 'programme' the most positive thing I heard said, was the networking that came out of it and a lot of new friendships made. These people were from Yorkshire you never hear of Landmark in Essex/Suffolk. But I have also heard from others best to stay away due to their heavy handed approach from what a friend told me they try to shift the box before it is ready to be shifted and when people push others to hard to fast it can be traumatic for the person involved.
But the only way to truly know is try it for yourself as this is all heresay.
I witnessed this on a Louise Hay workshop when the facilitator pushed a clinically depressed woman to the point of vomiting, I don't get cross very often but witnessing this made me furious, especially as I had signalled the faciltator not to push the client any further. Those that have not experienced this condition just do not have the compassion, sensitivity and intuition required to deal with it in an appropriate manner in my experience.
Love beyond measure
kim xx
Hi Rosie,
Well, I had a quick look at the dianetics site which means that I know very little about it, but I do know a fair bit about NLP and EFT. Perhaps you can fill in the gaps.
There are loads of definitions of NLP, some of which are more useful than others. It's also a very "open" field, in that if a change technique works and can be reproduced then it could be considered part of NLP. It began life as a modelling project: how, precisely, do they do that and can I reproduce their results. The people first modelled were all therapists, but it later widened to attempt to provide models for how people who do things well do it differently from anyone else. And from that, to make effective thoughts and behaviour systematic.
EFT is simply the idea that negative feelings are caused by an imbalance in the body's subtle energy system (the meridians from acupuncture) that is triggered by a particular thought (i.e. something that is happening right now, or a memory of it, or imagining it in the future). By balancing the energy system while you are having the thought, the negative feeling simply cannot occur.
What these two and dianetics would appear to have in common is: they have fairly simple (yet different) models of how we process thoughts ("internal representations"); they believe that these processes are largely outside our conscious awareness; but that it's nevertheless possible to intervene in these processes to get different results.
My guess is (and it's only a guess) that the reason that dianetics gets the culty press it gets is more down to the way that its devotees promulgate it, rather than the stuff itself.
But putting all that aside, Rosie it begs the question as to why do you want to know? Do you have some stuff (technical term!) that you want to deal with?
I'm sure that the people on this forum could help.
All the best
Jonathan
hi kim,
yes, i have started reading the manual and i see mention of dr goodhart and kinesiology. i did a kinesiology course earlier this year but thought it was not a good enough course to actually get to grips with it... its a massive subject!
hi jonathan,
stuff eh... lol i like your techie terms, use them myself very often! i actually dont think i have too much, or anymore than anyone else. as it happens, i dabbled with dianetics as my friend was convinced it would help... there were a few dark times a few years back. i wonder if the distraction of reading lots about scn/ dianetics was helpful more than the actual *teachings*! i am an open minded person but i do have a built in skeptisim and cynicism that made me question it and ultimately reject it, as not for me.
as for my asking about EFT, i was curious i suppose. being a bodyworker and using reiki (learning acupressure), i did wonder about its merits as something else i can then offer clients. afterall, we are constantly told that physical problems are emotional problems manifesting, so whatever works in helping to release this, has got to be a good thing?
i have been seeing mention of EFT for some time on here and followed links and did download the PDF manual. i admit now, i have not read it and maybe thats my emotional blockage...
a great friend of mine was heavily into scientology and dianetcs and at one point i did dabble. i even tried an auditing session (i'll post a link for those that know nothing about it, and i mean nothing in the nicest way[link]http://www.dianetics.org/en_US/faq/index.html[/link]). it was not for me, i didnt like it, i didnt like the concept and probably more importantly, i did find much of the origins, sinister and i feared and do fear for my friend (who i incidentally dont have so much contact with nowadays :().
having said that, on the surface, i see not a lot of difference with the ideas behind all these... i.e. facing and dealing with that which we dont want to, as it were. i get suspicious, maybe, of these *mind* therapies that charge lots of money for their conferences/ seminars. (erks i am getting on a soap box here!).
so i suppose i am wondering, what is the difference between EFT, NLP, TAT and Dianetics, apart from Dianetics aka Scientology being considered a scary cult thing to do?
i appreciate i should find out for myself and think for myself (thats one good thing i did learn from my scn dabbling <g>) but your views would be appreciated. (oh and looking at the TAT pose, reminded me a little of reiki hand positions (the hands off approach), hmmm and thats very largely about emotional release...).
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Hi Rosie
I want to answer your post (and i'm surprised no one else has yet) but know nothing about dianetics, so will look it up asap and get back to you.
Sarah x
Answers:
phew... thank you, sarah!
i know you practise EFT, so even a simple explanation of that would help. i remember looking up NLP some years back and i did see a comparison between it and dianetics, sort of, which made me wary of it, to be honest.
this is probably digressing and maybe nothing like the others, but what about ? again, its an emotional baggage handler but i did hear at one time, that the head man was ex scientology.
anyway, i just wanted to know.
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Dear Rosie
From what I have seen and experienced of EFT it looks like a spin off from Kinesiology and Body Talk Therapies and I have received excellent reports of it.
I have a book on Dianetics but have never read it.
Landmark, I have met some people that have been involved in this 'programme' the most positive thing I heard said, was the networking that came out of it and a lot of new friendships made. These people were from Yorkshire you never hear of Landmark in Essex/Suffolk. But I have also heard from others best to stay away due to their heavy handed approach from what a friend told me they try to shift the box before it is ready to be shifted and when people push others to hard to fast it can be traumatic for the person involved.
But the only way to truly know is try it for yourself as this is all heresay.
I witnessed this on a Louise Hay workshop when the facilitator pushed a clinically depressed woman to the point of vomiting, I don't get cross very often but witnessing this made me furious, especially as I had signalled the faciltator not to push the client any further. Those that have not experienced this condition just do not have the compassion, sensitivity and intuition required to deal with it in an appropriate manner in my experience.
Love beyond measure
kim xx
Answers:
Hi Rosie,
Well, I had a quick look at the dianetics site which means that I know very little about it, but I do know a fair bit about NLP and EFT. Perhaps you can fill in the gaps.
There are loads of definitions of NLP, some of which are more useful than others. It's also a very "open" field, in that if a change technique works and can be reproduced then it could be considered part of NLP. It began life as a modelling project: how, precisely, do they do that and can I reproduce their results. The people first modelled were all therapists, but it later widened to attempt to provide models for how people who do things well do it differently from anyone else. And from that, to make effective thoughts and behaviour systematic.
EFT is simply the idea that negative feelings are caused by an imbalance in the body's subtle energy system (the meridians from acupuncture) that is triggered by a particular thought (i.e. something that is happening right now, or a memory of it, or imagining it in the future). By balancing the energy system while you are having the thought, the negative feeling simply cannot occur.
What these two and dianetics would appear to have in common is: they have fairly simple (yet different) models of how we process thoughts ("internal representations"); they believe that these processes are largely outside our conscious awareness; but that it's nevertheless possible to intervene in these processes to get different results.
My guess is (and it's only a guess) that the reason that dianetics gets the culty press it gets is more down to the way that its devotees promulgate it, rather than the stuff itself.
But putting all that aside, Rosie it begs the question as to why do you want to know? Do you have some stuff (technical term!) that you want to deal with?
I'm sure that the people on this forum could help.
All the best
Jonathan
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hi kim,
yes, i have started reading the manual and i see mention of dr goodhart and kinesiology. i did a kinesiology course earlier this year but thought it was not a good enough course to actually get to grips with it... its a massive subject!
hi jonathan,
stuff eh... lol i like your techie terms, use them myself very often! i actually dont think i have too much, or anymore than anyone else. as it happens, i dabbled with dianetics as my friend was convinced it would help... there were a few dark times a few years back. i wonder if the distraction of reading lots about scn/ dianetics was helpful more than the actual *teachings*! i am an open minded person but i do have a built in skeptisim and cynicism that made me question it and ultimately reject it, as not for me.
as for my asking about EFT, i was curious i suppose. being a bodyworker and using reiki (learning acupressure), i did wonder about its merits as something else i can then offer clients. afterall, we are constantly told that physical problems are emotional problems manifesting, so whatever works in helping to release this, has got to be a good thing?
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