Question:
I have to confess I have not yet had time to download the relevant documents pertaining to the whole NOS thing – so apologies in advance if this post is superfluous.
Somerset Angel recently mentioned Continuous Professional Development (CPD), in connection with the association (not Reiki-specific) to which she belongs.
I am wondering what others think about:
a) compiling the criteria from the various existing organisations, and
b) discussion here about CPD guidelines for the new association, and whether or not it would be a good idea to establish these in conjunction with a code of conduct.
I realise that a) above might mean a breach of confidence by members of such organisations if published on a public forum. Therefore, what do people think of “Plan b)”?
(BTW, if I've got the subject line and subsequent reference to CPD wrong, eg it should be "continued", please tell me and I'll change it. I am also aware that the P can stand for Personal, but I feel here Professional is more appropriate.)
Holistic
Hi Laura.
Continuing Professional Development is CPD.
It does seem to be a bit academic for Reiki and, as I see it, cannot be applied and monitored to a spiritual development practise. However it can be applied and monitored with respect to legislation and Health & Safety aspects, but as these change only slowly and are published in the press and by recognised Reiki Organisations in their own publications there does not seem to be much to do by the practitioner.
In my experience of CPD, in my other life as a Surveyor, it is more or less voluntary, self-planned, self-motivated, self-documented and only very seldom, if ever, checked by the regulating bodies because of the administration and time required. The keeping of CPD diaries becomes a farce, for if one is called in for audit by the regulating body, a false diary covering the requisite number of hours can be very easily fabricated. It didn't happen to me but I know of several that chose to do this and they were not caught out.
CPD is a formalisation of what any good therapist does anyway. That is keeping up-to-date with changes in Legislation, Bye Laws and improvements (not applicable to Reiki) in the methods and materials involved in their chosen therapy.
I think the whole thing is likely to go off like a damp squib.
Hi Paul
"Continuing Professional Development is CPD."
Thanks for the correction. Amendments made.
I only posted because the subject had already been mentioned. As far as I'm concerned, this is, as you say "... voluntary, self-planned, self-motivated, self-documented ..."
What is likely to go off like a damp squib?
My post?
CPD?
NOS?
:D
Laura.
Dear Holistic
I belong to the Association of Natural Medcine so it covers me for Counselling stress management hypnotherapy reiki and indian head massage. I pay one associatiation and one insurance.
Each year when I renew my subscription I have to give evidence that I have done something to impoove knowledge that I am not staying static. This is not the dreaded CPD as some know it but a record of what you have done in the year. It could be attending a day course a synopisi of a book you have read taking part on the HP forum. It is not horendous but the assoc found that people trained and did nothing for years they became static and very blinkered. this has been in situ for the last few years and it seems to be ok.
This could work for reiki........duck .........wait for the hits:eek::eek:[&o]......
Why are you hitting the Reiki duck, Somerset Angel ?:D:D:D:D
A perfectly good posting with a perfectly good idea.
Am with you on this.
I have to do it for aroma, reflex, massage etc in order to stay in the Governing Body (IGPP). It takes the form of credits over a two year period and can be gained by either attending courses (long ones count such as learning a new subject), short courses ie workshops, attending group meetings and also research on the subjects.
I haven't had to do any yet (though have) as I have a lot of credits for the main subjects I have studied.
I think it is important and agree that you can become stale if you don't do it. But there is a flip side. ie money for people running courses and they have to be approved by the governing body or they don't count.
As Paul says, is a bit of a farce. IGPP couldn't cope with the paperwork (pathetic) and therefore said we could monitor this ourselves. This takes the form of a portfolio which you keep and have to produce if asked - yeah right!;) Who is going to monitor this when they can't even keep up with the admin?
Having said that I still agree with it.
Now....to really chuck the cat in amongst the pigeons....
I HAVE downloaded the documents and scanned them (they were far too tedious and repetitive to read word for word) and I can't see any problem with them. What they are asking for is a professional approach to work and an awareness of health and safety etc.
To be honest, the picture that had been painted made me think that these people knew NOTHING about Reiki, but it would seem to me that they do have a good understanding of spritual practices. I really can't see why any Reiki therapist would object to them being put into place and they have nothing to fear.
Like it or not, when you practice on the public and take their money you have to be held responsible and I think this is where they are coming from. Bear in mind it will be YEARS before this happens. They haven't even regulated acpuncture or herbal medicine yet and they are more important in my mind for regulation.
Hope nobody feels I have gone off thread on this one!:D
I found this interesting as i was talking to someone about CPD today who belongs to quite a prestigious professional body (not therapy or Reiki) and she said that if she hasn't done enough over a year to gain all the points needed she just makes it up when she fills in the required form because she doesn't believe they can check the detail for every member .
! I know this is not something we would like to think people do but lets face it if you can't be bothered to attend courses etc it would be easy to fill in the blanks and if necessary print a bogus certicicate or whatever. this isn't something i would contemplate but others unfortunately might.
Well, if the governing bodies leave it open to abuse then it will be abused. At the end of the day it is up to them to do a proper job, afterall we have to pay them annually to be members and I can tell you this, we get nothing in return. There is very little in the way of back up or support, just a quarterly magazine and a badge!
hi candie,
i downloaded the forms to, and yes, they looked long and tedious and complicated so i didnt read them but trusted the outraged here.
i think a lot of worry is more in the fact that there is talk of retraining in order to be recognised? how will the regs get past that? how can the powers that be know who is and who is not trained to standard? did you see mention of this?
i have no problem per se in controls on H & S, client care, some A & P requirement but i dont want to have to *retrain*. i dont have the money or the time and i dont see why i should pay someone else to say i can do what i know i already can!
as for CPD's in general... again, i dont always have the money or the time. i do further training if i feel its of interest and benefit to me, otherwise, as far as i am concerned, i see every day as a working therapist as CPD! i also think that as therapists, we cant help but be interested in what we do, otherwise we wouldnt do it. so i read, research and constantly add to my knowledge, by coming here for example. i am plowing my way through the *aromatherapy and natural health* magazines that a client has just lent me... all issues!! its got some good stuff in it and i am only on the first folder!
Just to reply to the point about cost -when the ANM looked at CPD it was aware of the cost to some members of courses as well as members who live in far flung places. So reading a book and writing a piece about it and how they would use it and apply it to practice I think is fair.
Well Rosie, if they want people to have health and safety, client care, and a and p, then I suppose they would want people to retrain. A problem indeed.[:'(]
CPD will be required butb it entails just keeping up to date with developments in your chosen therapies and legislation - particularly H & S.
Something that all good therapists have been trained to do and do so without really thinking about it. The CPD requirement just formalises it and creates the need for an audit trail to to be kept by the practitioner just in case their CPD is queried.
I have just joined an organisation, and before this I had never even heard of CPD and it seemed quite scarey. However, when I actually went through it I realised I was already doing it. I have done loads of research out of sheer curiousity. I love everything to do with chi (qi, Ki) and everything to do with strengthening the knowledge of chi. I don't think it matters what you do, everything is CPD. If I have the money I may do I course - but only coz I want to not because I have to. The beauty of Reiki is that anything could be CPD, tai chi, yoga, meditation - even posting on this message board! After all its part of a community and it's to do with Reiki.
I actually appreciate the CPD, I know I don't have the qualifications considered by some to be 'official' so it's nice to record my achievements because it adds to my confidence to see what I have achieved. I'm not sure what the CPD requirement is with other organisations, it's the law to do a health & safety assessment if your self employed no matter what you do, so everyone should this -:eek:although I haven't done mine yet, on paper anyway - I've done it in my head!:eek:[:o]
You know, I didn't realise when I got into Reiki that there would be sooooo much paper work involved - it doesn't really seem....well Reiki, if you know what I mean;)
L&L
Sig
well I don't think that will count on CPD, and there will be a lot more paperwork, I never have liked civil servants and control freaks.
being love
Kim
talking of CPD, many organisations require you to do extra courses to "prove" and earn CPD points. so, there isnt a choice about doing or not doing courses, affording them or not.
one of my first discussions on HP was about the merits of CPD's and them making one a better therapist. i totally dont agree that you MUST attend them... they should be a provision for those that want them. just because you havent gone on a CPD to learn "new" techniques, it doesnt mean you are a bad therapist, imo.
i agree, kim!!! civil servants and control freaks... bleurgh! as for paperwork... what about the trees!!??
Lets be careful please not put down the jobs that others do.. we all walk our paths in differant ways & for differant reasons here.. i expect there are a fair few civil servents on these boards doing their bit as well as us .
With love Maria xx
PS I agree Rosie what about the trees
Somerset Angel recently mentioned Continuous Professional Development (CPD), in connection with the association (not Reiki-specific) to which she belongs.
I am wondering what others think about:
a) compiling the criteria from the various existing organisations, and
b) discussion here about CPD guidelines for the new association, and whether or not it would be a good idea to establish these in conjunction with a code of conduct.
I realise that a) above might mean a breach of confidence by members of such organisations if published on a public forum. Therefore, what do people think of “Plan b)”?
(BTW, if I've got the subject line and subsequent reference to CPD wrong, eg it should be "continued", please tell me and I'll change it. I am also aware that the P can stand for Personal, but I feel here Professional is more appropriate.)
Holistic
Answers:
Hi Laura.
Continuing Professional Development is CPD.
It does seem to be a bit academic for Reiki and, as I see it, cannot be applied and monitored to a spiritual development practise. However it can be applied and monitored with respect to legislation and Health & Safety aspects, but as these change only slowly and are published in the press and by recognised Reiki Organisations in their own publications there does not seem to be much to do by the practitioner.
In my experience of CPD, in my other life as a Surveyor, it is more or less voluntary, self-planned, self-motivated, self-documented and only very seldom, if ever, checked by the regulating bodies because of the administration and time required. The keeping of CPD diaries becomes a farce, for if one is called in for audit by the regulating body, a false diary covering the requisite number of hours can be very easily fabricated. It didn't happen to me but I know of several that chose to do this and they were not caught out.
CPD is a formalisation of what any good therapist does anyway. That is keeping up-to-date with changes in Legislation, Bye Laws and improvements (not applicable to Reiki) in the methods and materials involved in their chosen therapy.
I think the whole thing is likely to go off like a damp squib.
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Hi Paul
"Continuing Professional Development is CPD."
Thanks for the correction. Amendments made.
I only posted because the subject had already been mentioned. As far as I'm concerned, this is, as you say "... voluntary, self-planned, self-motivated, self-documented ..."
What is likely to go off like a damp squib?
My post?
CPD?
NOS?
:D
Laura.
Answers:
Dear Holistic
I belong to the Association of Natural Medcine so it covers me for Counselling stress management hypnotherapy reiki and indian head massage. I pay one associatiation and one insurance.
Each year when I renew my subscription I have to give evidence that I have done something to impoove knowledge that I am not staying static. This is not the dreaded CPD as some know it but a record of what you have done in the year. It could be attending a day course a synopisi of a book you have read taking part on the HP forum. It is not horendous but the assoc found that people trained and did nothing for years they became static and very blinkered. this has been in situ for the last few years and it seems to be ok.
This could work for reiki........duck .........wait for the hits:eek::eek:[&o]......
Answers:
Why are you hitting the Reiki duck, Somerset Angel ?:D:D:D:D
A perfectly good posting with a perfectly good idea.
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Am with you on this.
I have to do it for aroma, reflex, massage etc in order to stay in the Governing Body (IGPP). It takes the form of credits over a two year period and can be gained by either attending courses (long ones count such as learning a new subject), short courses ie workshops, attending group meetings and also research on the subjects.
I haven't had to do any yet (though have) as I have a lot of credits for the main subjects I have studied.
I think it is important and agree that you can become stale if you don't do it. But there is a flip side. ie money for people running courses and they have to be approved by the governing body or they don't count.
As Paul says, is a bit of a farce. IGPP couldn't cope with the paperwork (pathetic) and therefore said we could monitor this ourselves. This takes the form of a portfolio which you keep and have to produce if asked - yeah right!;) Who is going to monitor this when they can't even keep up with the admin?
Having said that I still agree with it.
Now....to really chuck the cat in amongst the pigeons....
I HAVE downloaded the documents and scanned them (they were far too tedious and repetitive to read word for word) and I can't see any problem with them. What they are asking for is a professional approach to work and an awareness of health and safety etc.
To be honest, the picture that had been painted made me think that these people knew NOTHING about Reiki, but it would seem to me that they do have a good understanding of spritual practices. I really can't see why any Reiki therapist would object to them being put into place and they have nothing to fear.
Like it or not, when you practice on the public and take their money you have to be held responsible and I think this is where they are coming from. Bear in mind it will be YEARS before this happens. They haven't even regulated acpuncture or herbal medicine yet and they are more important in my mind for regulation.
Hope nobody feels I have gone off thread on this one!:D
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I found this interesting as i was talking to someone about CPD today who belongs to quite a prestigious professional body (not therapy or Reiki) and she said that if she hasn't done enough over a year to gain all the points needed she just makes it up when she fills in the required form because she doesn't believe they can check the detail for every member .
! I know this is not something we would like to think people do but lets face it if you can't be bothered to attend courses etc it would be easy to fill in the blanks and if necessary print a bogus certicicate or whatever. this isn't something i would contemplate but others unfortunately might.
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Well, if the governing bodies leave it open to abuse then it will be abused. At the end of the day it is up to them to do a proper job, afterall we have to pay them annually to be members and I can tell you this, we get nothing in return. There is very little in the way of back up or support, just a quarterly magazine and a badge!
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hi candie,
i downloaded the forms to, and yes, they looked long and tedious and complicated so i didnt read them but trusted the outraged here.
i think a lot of worry is more in the fact that there is talk of retraining in order to be recognised? how will the regs get past that? how can the powers that be know who is and who is not trained to standard? did you see mention of this?
i have no problem per se in controls on H & S, client care, some A & P requirement but i dont want to have to *retrain*. i dont have the money or the time and i dont see why i should pay someone else to say i can do what i know i already can!
as for CPD's in general... again, i dont always have the money or the time. i do further training if i feel its of interest and benefit to me, otherwise, as far as i am concerned, i see every day as a working therapist as CPD! i also think that as therapists, we cant help but be interested in what we do, otherwise we wouldnt do it. so i read, research and constantly add to my knowledge, by coming here for example. i am plowing my way through the *aromatherapy and natural health* magazines that a client has just lent me... all issues!! its got some good stuff in it and i am only on the first folder!
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Just to reply to the point about cost -when the ANM looked at CPD it was aware of the cost to some members of courses as well as members who live in far flung places. So reading a book and writing a piece about it and how they would use it and apply it to practice I think is fair.
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Well Rosie, if they want people to have health and safety, client care, and a and p, then I suppose they would want people to retrain. A problem indeed.[:'(]
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CPD will be required butb it entails just keeping up to date with developments in your chosen therapies and legislation - particularly H & S.
Something that all good therapists have been trained to do and do so without really thinking about it. The CPD requirement just formalises it and creates the need for an audit trail to to be kept by the practitioner just in case their CPD is queried.
Answers:
I have just joined an organisation, and before this I had never even heard of CPD and it seemed quite scarey. However, when I actually went through it I realised I was already doing it. I have done loads of research out of sheer curiousity. I love everything to do with chi (qi, Ki) and everything to do with strengthening the knowledge of chi. I don't think it matters what you do, everything is CPD. If I have the money I may do I course - but only coz I want to not because I have to. The beauty of Reiki is that anything could be CPD, tai chi, yoga, meditation - even posting on this message board! After all its part of a community and it's to do with Reiki.
I actually appreciate the CPD, I know I don't have the qualifications considered by some to be 'official' so it's nice to record my achievements because it adds to my confidence to see what I have achieved. I'm not sure what the CPD requirement is with other organisations, it's the law to do a health & safety assessment if your self employed no matter what you do, so everyone should this -:eek:although I haven't done mine yet, on paper anyway - I've done it in my head!:eek:[:o]
You know, I didn't realise when I got into Reiki that there would be sooooo much paper work involved - it doesn't really seem....well Reiki, if you know what I mean;)
L&L
Sig
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well I don't think that will count on CPD, and there will be a lot more paperwork, I never have liked civil servants and control freaks.
being love
Kim
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talking of CPD, many organisations require you to do extra courses to "prove" and earn CPD points. so, there isnt a choice about doing or not doing courses, affording them or not.
one of my first discussions on HP was about the merits of CPD's and them making one a better therapist. i totally dont agree that you MUST attend them... they should be a provision for those that want them. just because you havent gone on a CPD to learn "new" techniques, it doesnt mean you are a bad therapist, imo.
i agree, kim!!! civil servants and control freaks... bleurgh! as for paperwork... what about the trees!!??
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Lets be careful please not put down the jobs that others do.. we all walk our paths in differant ways & for differant reasons here.. i expect there are a fair few civil servents on these boards doing their bit as well as us .
With love Maria xx
PS I agree Rosie what about the trees
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