Question:
I was prompted to start this thread from the "What Is..." thread.
I'm interested in what people's views are regarding picking up the therapists "problems" during a treatment.
My view, at this point in time, is that all the different emotions, thoughts, pains etc. are all energies which are exhibiting certain patterns. If a therapist is giving a treatment, but is distracted and focusing on their own "problems" then they are passing across some of the "problem" patterns in the energy they are channelling. This isn't to say it's like telepathy, and I don't believe that the client would necessarily be "seeing" the problems of the therapist, but I believe that the patterns being passed act as triggers within the client and may bring up emotions, thoughts, pains etc. that have similar patterns to those being passed.
So in ForestGirls example above I feel that it was perfectly possible that the therapist was passing her "bad day" on which was manifesting in a different form for ForestGirl compared to the therapists own problems.
It's also perfectly reasonable that the client can pick up on general atmosphere at the time as we all do in every day life. This could be through the energy being given off by people or just through the subtle actions of body language.
Let me know what you all think
Love and Reiki Hugs
Hello everybody,
Client's do not pick up from therapists regardless of the therapists problems. The therapist is channelling high frequency healing energy, this energy is independent of any thoughts or emotions that the therapist may have. Essentially what is happening here and in many other cases is that the client does not want to acknowledge that they have emotional issues or traumas to deal with. People expect Reiki to be always pleasant and a lovely experience but in reality Reiki is a healing system and heals on all levels. Part of this healing process is the clearing of negative emotional energy. For this to be facilitated involves emotional traumas being brought to the surface to be removed. Although this may be unpleasant to the client for a few days or more it will leave them in a much healthirer emotional state.
As professional Reiki practitioners we should tell clients this before the treatment and not mislead them into believing that Reiki is purely a wonderful, relaxing experience.
hi giles,
yes, i'd go along with you on that. i think its terribly important as a therapist to be in a positive mind when conducting treatments. it takes but a few momnets to collect ones thoughts before commencing, or before the client has even come through the door... we are, afterall, being paid to give someone a service and our intentions and energies should be 100% on the job.
i used to work for a hotel "spa" (term used loosely!). at first it was good, i needed the work. i was an extra on saturdays, the busiest day, when they would cram as many treatments in as possible. 10am - 5pm, mostly back massage (30 mins) or full bodies (an hour) .. half an hour for lunch! a great experience and it certainly made you good at time management but i knew by 3pm, i was done. i was not giving as good as i was first thing.
i did this for about 18 months (luckily i had screwed a good price out of the management... most were getting 5 quid an hour!!!) so i stuck with it. but then they started trying to drop my money and generally taking the proverbial. as i was driving there i could feel myself getting cross and negative, not wanting to be there, not wanting to do this. to me, this was a totally wrong attitude to have because although i was still managing to pull my intentions in for treatments, it was impingeing on relationship with management.
so, i just became unavailable and havent been for nearly a year. and as they say, other doors open and i am working far more to my own itegrity and ethics.
lol... so in short! yes, i do think we are very capable of passing on negative energies to clients and like any job, dont take your personal life into the workplace!
ipso facto, that tells me then. :D
However you mention that the reiki energy is healing at an emotional level, which in my opinion is the energy frequencies of the emotions. In which case you are contradicting yourself by saying that reiki is working at a different (higher) frequency to the emotions. IMO reiki does work at a whole range of frequencies, or if you read the post "what do you think?" you will see that Dreamspirit's take on things is that reiki allows healing on ALL frequencies of energy.
Would you care to expand on your answer, I'm interested to hear how you substantiate such claims or where you get your beliefs from? :eek:
Love and Reiki Hugs
Maybe what happens is that rather than actually passing on our own 'negative' stuff to a client what happens is that they feel our energy and if they have some similar kind of stuff - beleifs or experiences - then they are triggered into connecting with that - so maybe our own stuff brings up for them what is most relevent for them to work with at that point. Haven't really thought about this before so not actually saying this is SO - just an idea.
I think too that it is slightly different to not being totally present for a session - I think that is maybe less about passing on your own stuff than just not being really there and so not giving a session your full energy making it less effective than it may be - in the same way as if you don't give your full attention to something you are doing then you probably won't do it as well.
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I totally agree that Reiki is a healing process and not necessarily a relaxation treatment. If people just want a pampering relaxation, a massage or facial is probably more appropriate. It is so easy to blame the Reiki healer for the client's past but it just isn't the way it is. Things come up in a Reiki treatment to be dealt with, and the only place this healer could have gone wrong is if she had not made it clear to the client that stuff may come up for healing, and that the client should go with it as part of the healing process.
Now I wasn't saying that Reiki can't bring up emotional or other issues in the client as a result of it doing it's healing, but what I'm looking for specifically on this thread is whether you believe the therapist can pass across any of their own problems in some form or whether their own problems can bring up certain (loosely) related problems in the client.
I'm fully aware that a therapist, who is chanelling reiki with the best love and intent for the client can cause issues to be brought up for that client, purely because the reiki is doing it's work for that client.
Love and Reiki Hugs
As far as I understand it and in my experience, if the therapist is attuned to Reiki and is channelling Reiki, then:
1 - The therapist does not give or pass on or take on any other energy, they are simply channelling Reiki;
2 - Reiki goes to where it is most needed.
So if the therapist is in need of greater healing than the client, then the therapist gets the Reiki first and what's left goes to the client. If the therapist is so unhappy or in pain that they take all the Reiki, then the client feels nothing at all, no bad memories are released, because they get no Reiki to help release any memories.
That's the way I was taught on my reiki course.
Do you not feel then, on a slightly different angle, that reiki can be channelled with bad intent? Can it only every be used and chanelled as good energy?
Love and Reiki Hugs
Sorry Emma, I neglected to give you a reply. [:o]
That sounds similar to what I was saying in my original post, just worded in your own way. So you are believing (at this time) that the therapist can influence the treatment of the client with their own issues/problems, even if those issues and problems are not transferred verbatim to the client, but more that they trigger similar things in the clients own problem set.
I'm finding this really interesting how people have differing views. More please. :)
Love and Reiki Hugs
No matter what angle you look at it, imho if you are channeling Reiki, you are not channelling a dark energy, and if you are a Reiki healer, then you only channel for the highest good.
I agree, Suzanne.
hmmm then maybe there is a difference in the way we are "reading" this question.
i wasnt necessarily referring to what is being channeled... i still think that if you are giving off a bad vibe or negativity because you just had a row with your other half, its likely that THIS will be passed on to the client... so, ok, granted, the reiki is good but, you, as a person/ therapist, are doing your client a disservice if you dont pull your intention and integrity in... and leave the crap at home!
turn it around... how many practitioners protect themselves before giving treatments... and if so, why?
Always, protection around myself and the client, in order to only channel good energy. It's drummed into us in our association and we drum it into our students, you can't miss it.
so... just to be pedantic <g>,
if you can only channel good energy (reiki) (as you say in post #10), why would you need to protect yourself and your client? what are you protecting from?
LOL! Can you tell it's a quiet day?
Post # 11 and last post for today - promise!
Reiki only goes to where it is needed if you channel it at where it is needed. If you put your hands on someone's head to Reiki them it will heal their head, regardless of whether they need it in their head, foot or anywhere else.
Reiki can be used for bad. It depends on who is using the energy. The practitioner cannot transfer their 'baggage' to the person though.
You are protecting yourself in case your client has brought any negative energy with them.
Precisely!!!
That is the point I was trying to make in another topic.
There is NO need to protect yourself UNLESS you feel negative vibes from your client but, because I Attune with the intent to put a positive pressure into the Attunee the likelihood of this happening is eliminated.
I'm interested in what people's views are regarding picking up the therapists "problems" during a treatment.
My view, at this point in time, is that all the different emotions, thoughts, pains etc. are all energies which are exhibiting certain patterns. If a therapist is giving a treatment, but is distracted and focusing on their own "problems" then they are passing across some of the "problem" patterns in the energy they are channelling. This isn't to say it's like telepathy, and I don't believe that the client would necessarily be "seeing" the problems of the therapist, but I believe that the patterns being passed act as triggers within the client and may bring up emotions, thoughts, pains etc. that have similar patterns to those being passed.
So in ForestGirls example above I feel that it was perfectly possible that the therapist was passing her "bad day" on which was manifesting in a different form for ForestGirl compared to the therapists own problems.
It's also perfectly reasonable that the client can pick up on general atmosphere at the time as we all do in every day life. This could be through the energy being given off by people or just through the subtle actions of body language.
Let me know what you all think
Love and Reiki Hugs
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Hello everybody,
Client's do not pick up from therapists regardless of the therapists problems. The therapist is channelling high frequency healing energy, this energy is independent of any thoughts or emotions that the therapist may have. Essentially what is happening here and in many other cases is that the client does not want to acknowledge that they have emotional issues or traumas to deal with. People expect Reiki to be always pleasant and a lovely experience but in reality Reiki is a healing system and heals on all levels. Part of this healing process is the clearing of negative emotional energy. For this to be facilitated involves emotional traumas being brought to the surface to be removed. Although this may be unpleasant to the client for a few days or more it will leave them in a much healthirer emotional state.
As professional Reiki practitioners we should tell clients this before the treatment and not mislead them into believing that Reiki is purely a wonderful, relaxing experience.
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hi giles,
yes, i'd go along with you on that. i think its terribly important as a therapist to be in a positive mind when conducting treatments. it takes but a few momnets to collect ones thoughts before commencing, or before the client has even come through the door... we are, afterall, being paid to give someone a service and our intentions and energies should be 100% on the job.
i used to work for a hotel "spa" (term used loosely!). at first it was good, i needed the work. i was an extra on saturdays, the busiest day, when they would cram as many treatments in as possible. 10am - 5pm, mostly back massage (30 mins) or full bodies (an hour) .. half an hour for lunch! a great experience and it certainly made you good at time management but i knew by 3pm, i was done. i was not giving as good as i was first thing.
i did this for about 18 months (luckily i had screwed a good price out of the management... most were getting 5 quid an hour!!!) so i stuck with it. but then they started trying to drop my money and generally taking the proverbial. as i was driving there i could feel myself getting cross and negative, not wanting to be there, not wanting to do this. to me, this was a totally wrong attitude to have because although i was still managing to pull my intentions in for treatments, it was impingeing on relationship with management.
so, i just became unavailable and havent been for nearly a year. and as they say, other doors open and i am working far more to my own itegrity and ethics.
lol... so in short! yes, i do think we are very capable of passing on negative energies to clients and like any job, dont take your personal life into the workplace!
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ipso facto, that tells me then. :D
However you mention that the reiki energy is healing at an emotional level, which in my opinion is the energy frequencies of the emotions. In which case you are contradicting yourself by saying that reiki is working at a different (higher) frequency to the emotions. IMO reiki does work at a whole range of frequencies, or if you read the post "what do you think?" you will see that Dreamspirit's take on things is that reiki allows healing on ALL frequencies of energy.
Would you care to expand on your answer, I'm interested to hear how you substantiate such claims or where you get your beliefs from? :eek:
Love and Reiki Hugs
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Maybe what happens is that rather than actually passing on our own 'negative' stuff to a client what happens is that they feel our energy and if they have some similar kind of stuff - beleifs or experiences - then they are triggered into connecting with that - so maybe our own stuff brings up for them what is most relevent for them to work with at that point. Haven't really thought about this before so not actually saying this is SO - just an idea.
I think too that it is slightly different to not being totally present for a session - I think that is maybe less about passing on your own stuff than just not being really there and so not giving a session your full energy making it less effective than it may be - in the same way as if you don't give your full attention to something you are doing then you probably won't do it as well.
[sm=wave.gif]
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I totally agree that Reiki is a healing process and not necessarily a relaxation treatment. If people just want a pampering relaxation, a massage or facial is probably more appropriate. It is so easy to blame the Reiki healer for the client's past but it just isn't the way it is. Things come up in a Reiki treatment to be dealt with, and the only place this healer could have gone wrong is if she had not made it clear to the client that stuff may come up for healing, and that the client should go with it as part of the healing process.
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Now I wasn't saying that Reiki can't bring up emotional or other issues in the client as a result of it doing it's healing, but what I'm looking for specifically on this thread is whether you believe the therapist can pass across any of their own problems in some form or whether their own problems can bring up certain (loosely) related problems in the client.
I'm fully aware that a therapist, who is chanelling reiki with the best love and intent for the client can cause issues to be brought up for that client, purely because the reiki is doing it's work for that client.
Love and Reiki Hugs
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As far as I understand it and in my experience, if the therapist is attuned to Reiki and is channelling Reiki, then:
1 - The therapist does not give or pass on or take on any other energy, they are simply channelling Reiki;
2 - Reiki goes to where it is most needed.
So if the therapist is in need of greater healing than the client, then the therapist gets the Reiki first and what's left goes to the client. If the therapist is so unhappy or in pain that they take all the Reiki, then the client feels nothing at all, no bad memories are released, because they get no Reiki to help release any memories.
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That's the way I was taught on my reiki course.
Do you not feel then, on a slightly different angle, that reiki can be channelled with bad intent? Can it only every be used and chanelled as good energy?
Love and Reiki Hugs
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Sorry Emma, I neglected to give you a reply. [:o]
That sounds similar to what I was saying in my original post, just worded in your own way. So you are believing (at this time) that the therapist can influence the treatment of the client with their own issues/problems, even if those issues and problems are not transferred verbatim to the client, but more that they trigger similar things in the clients own problem set.
I'm finding this really interesting how people have differing views. More please. :)
Love and Reiki Hugs
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No matter what angle you look at it, imho if you are channeling Reiki, you are not channelling a dark energy, and if you are a Reiki healer, then you only channel for the highest good.
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I agree, Suzanne.
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hmmm then maybe there is a difference in the way we are "reading" this question.
i wasnt necessarily referring to what is being channeled... i still think that if you are giving off a bad vibe or negativity because you just had a row with your other half, its likely that THIS will be passed on to the client... so, ok, granted, the reiki is good but, you, as a person/ therapist, are doing your client a disservice if you dont pull your intention and integrity in... and leave the crap at home!
turn it around... how many practitioners protect themselves before giving treatments... and if so, why?
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Always, protection around myself and the client, in order to only channel good energy. It's drummed into us in our association and we drum it into our students, you can't miss it.
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so... just to be pedantic <g>,
if you can only channel good energy (reiki) (as you say in post #10), why would you need to protect yourself and your client? what are you protecting from?
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LOL! Can you tell it's a quiet day?
Post # 11 and last post for today - promise!
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Reiki only goes to where it is needed if you channel it at where it is needed. If you put your hands on someone's head to Reiki them it will heal their head, regardless of whether they need it in their head, foot or anywhere else.
Reiki can be used for bad. It depends on who is using the energy. The practitioner cannot transfer their 'baggage' to the person though.
You are protecting yourself in case your client has brought any negative energy with them.
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Precisely!!!
That is the point I was trying to make in another topic.
There is NO need to protect yourself UNLESS you feel negative vibes from your client but, because I Attune with the intent to put a positive pressure into the Attunee the likelihood of this happening is eliminated.
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